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Panic at the pump
The Washington Times ^ | 8-31-05 | WALTER WILLIAMS

Posted on 08/31/2005 11:34:55 AM PDT by JZelle

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To: wildweezel

Price caps now would not cause the kind of lines you had back in '79 for 2 reasons.

1. Back in 1979 there was no self-serve. You had to wait for some gas monkey to come gas you up. and ...

We've had self serve since the 40s (depending on local laws)
2. There are many more gas stations now than 25 years ago. If one doesn't have gas, the fellow a block from you will.

There are fewer gas stations today than in 1979.

Better a reasonable price and a bit scarce than plentiful and unaffordable!


41 posted on 08/31/2005 12:19:45 PM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: wildweezel
If everybody is pumping their own gas, things move much quicker than when you have to wait for some overworked, underpaid guy named Habib to ask for your money, pump your gas, process your credit card if you don't pay with cash, then on to the next car then the next etc. That helped keep the lines REALLY long.

Are you kidding? You clearly haven't noticed that the slightly confused elderly and highly distracted soccer moms take LONGER to pump gas than would a "gas monkey." Not to mention the teenagers who pull up the the pump and then scrounge around for loose change to pre-pay for their gas with. Or maybe you think the folks who park at the pump, get their gas, and then stroll into the store to pick up their smokes and beer are speeding the process along?

42 posted on 08/31/2005 12:22:11 PM PDT by whd23
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Price caps now would not cause the kind of lines you had back in '79 for 2 reasons. 1. Back in 1979 there was no self-serve. You had to wait for some gas monkey to come gas you up. and ...

I am really trying hard to figure out just how self-serve has ANYTHING to do with lines. I saw lines last night. SElf serve, pay at the pump. Now, cap the price and they'll institute rations, and everyone will line up on their appointed day. I remember those 70's years too.

2. There are many more gas stations now than 25 years ago. If one doesn't have gas, the fellow a block from you will.

If one doesn't have gas, then for all practical purposes, it doesn't exist. If the gas cannot get here, because they cannot afford to ship it because it costs more to produce than is taken in at the pump, then they won't have it.

Yes you ARE a troll. You and your "FreeDemm" friend.

43 posted on 08/31/2005 12:28:53 PM PDT by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: wildweezel
If I say "petroleum industry" from now on, will that get me out of "trollhood"?

Nah, you'd also have to start making sense.

44 posted on 08/31/2005 12:29:55 PM PDT by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: wildweezel
This is a circular argument but I'll give it one more try.

Why not try making a logical argument rather than a circular one?

There are more gas stations, more pumps at each station, and (unless you are stuck in New Jersey) you get to pump it yourself--and pay at the pump!! The whole pumping process (no jokes, please) is exponentially quicker than back in the 1970s. There will be some lines in some places, but NOTHING like the nightmare of 1979.

I'll try one more time, too. The technology of the pump and who operates it is trivial. That means it does not matter. That means it is a very small portion of the problem.

Yes, things may move more quickly now than they did in the 70s, but you are missing the point completely. They did not have long lines in the 70s because of poor pump technology or a lack of pumps.

They had long lines in the 70s because of a scarcity of gasoline and the way people react in such situations. Why do you think that the laws of supply and demand no longer apply? Do you think the amount of gasoline available will be the same whether it costs $4/gallon or the gov't mandates it only cost $1?

Do you think if the supply becomes low, people will hoard?

SD

46 posted on 08/31/2005 12:33:17 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: wildweezel

"This forum reminds me of 16th century Spain"

And your posts are a goofy throwback to the malaise of the Carter administration.


47 posted on 08/31/2005 12:35:18 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: JZelle

Filled up the company car this morning at $2.88/gal. at the local Exxon. Just drove by the same station on my way back and it was $2.95/gal.

A privately owned station about a block away that usually has lower prices if you pay cash has $3.29/gal. posted on their sign. Didn't see any customers though...


48 posted on 08/31/2005 12:35:48 PM PDT by Hatteras
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Back in 1979 there was no self-serve.

I worked at a gas station in 1979. We had several self-serve pumps.

Hate to say it, but I enjoyed working there during the gas crunch. I got to fill-up my tank regardless. Plus, a huge line would form-up overnight in front of our saw horses. Come opening time the next morning, it sounded like the Indy 500 when we went outside to move the horses.

Work until our alotment ran out and then went home.

Hey, I was a teenager. I was allowed to be lazy. :-)

49 posted on 08/31/2005 12:40:19 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (When a Jihadist dies, an angel gets its wings)
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To: JZelle
Price controls would be unjustified except for one critical point: the oil companies are posting record profits. If they were struggling to make ends meet, then high gas prices would be unjustified. But, as Exxon and other oil companies are buying back their stock, they are enriching themselves while working Americans bend over and take it.

If prices were high because the oil was expensive, I'd have no problem paying $3.00/gallon. That's not the case, however. Prices are high because the market has to buy their product, so the oil companies can force people to buy it.

I support a Windfall Profits Tax. And don't give me the "troll" garbage. I've been here since Sept. 2000. The simple fact of the matter is that these oil companies are on the way to actually derailing the American economy. 100 years ago, when coal strikes threatened the American economy, the military seized the coal mines and ensured the uninterrupted supply of coal. We need to do the same for oil now.

50 posted on 08/31/2005 12:40:50 PM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: wildweezel
1. Back in 1979 there was no self-serve. You had to wait for some gas monkey to come gas you up. and ...

Irrelevant. This didn't cause or contribute to the lines.

2. There are many more gas stations now than 25 years ago. If one doesn't have gas, the fellow a block from you will.

It's my sense that this is incorrect. Some intersections had gas stations on all corners. When gas went self-serve, and gas stations turned into mini-markets, we lost at least half of those stations. Plus there are not as many gasoline brands as there where then with all the mergers, etc.

Better a reasonable price and a bit scarce than plentiful and unaffordable!

Very "planned economy" of you. Jimmy Carter got bounced for that type of reasoning.

51 posted on 08/31/2005 12:41:50 PM PDT by Tallguy
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We don't need price controls, we need more SUPPLY. Thus, we need more drilling and more refineries. We can lessen demand by using coal and nuclear power plants instead of natural gas powered plants..


52 posted on 08/31/2005 12:42:53 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: wildweezel

"Price caps now would not cause the kind of lines you had back in '79 for 2 reasons. "
um Price caps actually forced rationing which forced long lines - supply became EXTREMELY limited and demand did not decrease
that is what caused the lines
no self serve lol pretty funny


53 posted on 08/31/2005 12:42:53 PM PDT by DM1
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To: JZelle
Checked last night, lowest $2.95, highest $3.05 for premium. I'm all for making a profit but don't make over a billion in profits in one quarter and then have the nerve to say we're not gouging.
54 posted on 08/31/2005 12:44:05 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: wildweezel

Wait a minute! I thought the Socialists - I mean the Democrats - WANTED the price of gasoline to go up. Isn't that what Algore and his ilk were insisting? Now that the price is up why would you want price controls to bring it back down. What's the idea - employ a democrat voter in the agency that does the regulating?


56 posted on 08/31/2005 12:45:02 PM PDT by TeaDumper
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To: wildweezel

No, simply using correct terminology does not mean that you have wrapped your brain around correct thinking. This takes even greater effort. And perhaps larger nadz...


58 posted on 08/31/2005 12:47:50 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: wildweezel
Don't live in a dream world....And have you noticed that Big Oil does not seem to be lobbying very hard for more drilling or more refineries? It gives them a perfect excuse to keep prices high--and rising.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Oil in the ground is like money in the bank to the oil company holding the lease. How would you like to own a bank account with billions of dollars in it and have the federal government prevent you from accessing it? Part of an oil company's stock price is the value of its reserves. Inaccessable reserves are essentially valueless.

60 posted on 08/31/2005 12:48:56 PM PDT by Tallguy
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