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1 posted on 08/31/2005 12:38:26 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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For your perusal and comment.


2 posted on 08/31/2005 12:40:22 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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Our "power" doesn't rest in our currency. Nor does our wealth.

Our power rests in our ability to create things, freely and defend ourselves. Something much of the world has forgotten how to do.


3 posted on 08/31/2005 12:48:17 AM PDT by DB (©)
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As president of the Economic Strategy Institute, a Washington think tank, he is in regular contact with the most influential US business leaders, several of whom -- Warren Buffet and George Soros included -- have taken steps to hedge their currency positions against the possibility of a cataclysmic plunge in the greenback.

This article is filled with ignorance, but this is the most telling sentence. Soros sold the dollar short because he wanted to cause an economic crisis to get Bush out of office--he admitted as much. IIRC, he's lost the equivalent of $500 million due to shorting the dollar.

I can't believe I delayed sleep just to read this crap.
4 posted on 08/31/2005 12:53:29 AM PDT by Terpfen (Liberals call the Constitution a living document because they enjoy torturing it.)
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He's exactly right. However, if we go down, everyone goes down with us. Pretty stupid to try and crash our economy.


5 posted on 08/31/2005 12:59:32 AM PDT by Free Vulcan
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The death of the dollar has been greatly exaggerated.

Are nations really going to dump the dollar to put their reserves into euros betting on the perpetual recession that is the eurozone to provide stability?


7 posted on 08/31/2005 1:02:43 AM PDT by RWR8189 ( Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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"This is the belief that markets are self-correcting and best left alone. Soros calls this a dangerous siren song. Far from being self-correcting, he emphasizes, markets tend to excess. They over-shoot. Anyone with any experience of markets knows this.

"When markets are going down, all the weaknesses get concentrated, and you need intervention at the right time to stop things from getting out of control. If the dollar started to melt down, the results could be really nasty. A 1930s-style global depression is not out of the question."

It matters little that it is Soros making the statement -- it is an obvious fact to anyone who reads. Markets are already more manipulated by the big players and governments, rather than by supply and demand.

Many of the self-anointed elites fared well enough through the Great Depression, and many of them will through this coming one. It was, and is, their bleeding off all the real people's operating capital through increasing taxes and decreasing real incomes that causes depressions.

What is worse this time is that they have dismantled so much of our manufacturing capability and sent it to our future enemies. Our elected politicians have joined the opposition in an economic war against American citizens.

8 posted on 08/31/2005 1:31:47 AM PDT by meadsjn
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And furthermore, business owners get tax credits for hiring foreigners here on work visas, but none for hiring Americans. That's just a damn crime.


9 posted on 08/31/2005 1:35:13 AM PDT by meadsjn
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Reads like one of those "buy gold" commercials.


11 posted on 08/31/2005 1:40:04 AM PDT by Pro-Bush (Liberty is the only thing you cannot have unless you are willing to give it to others.)
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Oh yeah, run for the Euro, baby!

The Chinese yuan might be a threat though. That is if you trust China. It's undervalued significantly and there is pressure to float it on the market.

12 posted on 08/31/2005 1:47:57 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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I dont want think about this as another Bush's Fault! ...
13 posted on 08/31/2005 1:49:21 AM PDT by ChristianDefender (If you can't fight with M16/M4.. then use prayer, if not just choose whose side are You!)
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This is idiocy.

The Dollar is headed for a gain against the Euro. Twin peaks.
14 posted on 08/31/2005 3:15:12 AM PDT by Jaysun (Democrats: We must become more effective at fooling people.)
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And with the price of oil at four times what it was just a few years back, the muslim hordes have a ton of greenbacks to dump.

Invade Mexico take their oil and use our HEAVILY ARMED Military to secure our borders! All of our borders, north, south, east and west.

18 posted on 08/31/2005 4:23:07 AM PDT by newsgatherer
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Soros is one of the greatest currency speculators of all time. He was the guy who broke the British pound in the early 1990s by betting $US10 billion it would fall. He made a quick billion when it did. In 2002

LOL, and he has lost about that same amount this year betting against the dollar....

19 posted on 08/31/2005 4:26:52 AM PDT by Always Right
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"more evident as the extent of the relative US economic decline becomes evident..."

But we aren't in economic decline. In fact, we just led the entire world out of a recession.

I can't tell from this article whether the writer is proposing that this would just happen, or whether he's proposing that it would be an intentional effort by some foreign nation to nuke the US economy. If he's proposing the latter, then I think that's a pretty dumb idea. First, I don't think it will work. Second, it would probably take down the guy who tried it.

Suppose, for example, that China decided to dump a trillion dollars on the foreign exchange (which is purely fictional since they don't even have that many dollars). Well, that would probably cause the dollar to decline. On the other hand, they would not get much for those dollars, and they'd end up taking a bath, while we and others bought those dollars cheaply. In effect, it would be a transfer of wealth by the Chinese to the rest of the world.

23 posted on 08/31/2005 5:11:27 AM PDT by Brilliant
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This is the belief that markets are self-correcting and best left alone. Soros calls this a dangerous siren song. Far from being self-correcting, he emphasizes, markets tend to excess. They over-shoot. Anyone with any experience of markets knows this.

No, no, no! There is no other god but Free Market, and Adam Smith is his prophet ! Bazaar Akbar!

27 posted on 08/31/2005 7:08:12 AM PDT by A. Pole (" There is no other god but Free Market, and Adam Smith is his prophet ! ")
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bump for later


30 posted on 08/31/2005 7:24:39 AM PDT by GOPJ
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Someone will have something to lose if the dollar crashes. Someone will have something to gain. That said, which someone is more powerful says who will win.


33 posted on 08/31/2005 7:33:26 AM PDT by CodeToad
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Thats it... I'm converting all my dollars to beer.


41 posted on 08/31/2005 9:21:41 AM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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Return us to a commodity based currency. POssibly even competeing commodities to prevent over specialization on something like gold. Implement a consumption tax at point of sale and dump the rest of the tax code. Dump most of the FedGov and fit it back inside its Constitutional jail. Axe any State regs that don't comply to the Constitution they ratified as the "Supreme Law of the Land".

Do all that... and there would be untold prosperity for generations to come. Keep going the way we are going and those doomsday scenarios become certainties. Half measures are better than nothing, but are only stop gap at best.

43 posted on 08/31/2005 9:37:48 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be. -El Neil)
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Growth diverges across EU economies (Euro Zone)
The Business Online ^ | August 28, 2005 | Allister Heath


THE performance of the euro zone's 15 economies is continuing to diverge, fuelling fresh fears for the future of the single currency, a top French bank will warn this week.

There are still no signs of the convergence in economic growth long forecast by advocates of the single currency, according to a report by Societe Generale's Paris economists. Instead, the growth differentials among euro-zone members continue to widen, putting intense pressure on the European Central Bank's one-size-fits-all interest rates.

Since 2001, the gap in private consumption between member countries has surged to almost 15% between the best and worst performers, according to Societe Generale. Greece and Spain have had robust private consumption, whereas Germany and the Netherlands have seen consumer spending stagnate during the past four years.

Only five euro-zone members will have run out of spare capacity this year, led by Greece, Finland, Spain, Belgium and Ireland. The others are all underperforming and still have unused resources such as labour and capital.

The five best performing countries are at increasing risk of overheating, the bank said, because interest rates are below the appropriate level for these economies.

Veronique Riches-Flores, economist at Societe Generale, said: "This situation raises obvious concerns over the potential impact of such discrepancies on economic developments. The exceptional spread in output gaps between the different euro-zone partners is not sustainable without creating, at some point, some inevitable distortions."

Growth in the euro zone should be confirmed at 0.3% quarter-on-quarter and 1.2% year-on-year for the second quarter, down from 0.5% and 1.4% in the first, and back to its lowest since end-2003.


46 posted on 08/31/2005 9:54:37 AM PDT by DM1
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