Posted on 08/29/2005 6:23:38 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
That's either a "No, he is not ex-CIA" or "He's a NOC".
There are four people from whom we have not heard a peep lately. This makes me VERY suspicious. Maybe they are ALL in the witness protection program - - that is, the kind of "witness protection program" that Clinton used to make sure that witnesses disappeared overseas and could not be found, subpoenaed, or deposed. Those four people are:
1. Janet Reno
2. Richard Clarke
3. Louis Freeh
4. Eric Holder
I would especially like to hear from Freeh and Holder.
And I'd say that being like Joseph McCarthy would be a good thing. While "Joe" did make a few mistakes; he was mostly right, and he was persistent. It's no wonder he was so despised by the left...
What's a "NOC"?
"Non-Official Cover"...
An undercover CIA agent, to put in the simplest terms.
My gut tells me that Weldon's exactly what he appears to be - - a long-time Congressman from suburban Philly. I seriously doubt that he is now or has ever been an employee of the CIA, non-official or otherwise.
That's cool... I thought I heard that he was ex-CIA... Maybe I'm thinking of another congressman.
No biggie.
I was wondering the same thing. Catwoman no. 9 is a babe fo sho.
I saw a recent news story that Reno was in fender bender, IIRC.
No word on her blood alcohol level. haha
Was there an underage prostitute found in the car, alongside Waco Reno?
Yep. I read that too. Berglergate and his ultimate sentence ain't the end of that story...
I think we are being seriously smoked here. Lawton did allow substantial interaction between these other intelligence agencies and law enforcement, according to my Post #616. This was clamped down on by Scruggs, and reinforced by Gorelick's memo two years later.
By accepting the position that it was Gorelick's memo that initiated this Wall, we open ourselves to the counter argument that no it wasn't Gorelick's wall, as this Wall existed all along, prior to 1995, and dating all the way back to the United States v. Troung Dinh Hung case in the late 1970's.
But with the passage of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) the office of OIPR was established to funnel requests for search warrants for the purpose of foreign intelligence to a sitting secret judicial panel. This met the requirements of the 4th Amendment, while allowing the intelligence agencies and law enforcement to co-operate on overlapping cases. It was under Reno, starting with Struggs, that this was changed to the Wall.
See further Testimony - United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary - The USA PATRIOT Act In Practice: Shedding Light on the FISA Process. - September 10, 2002 - Mr. Kenneth C. Bass, III . Bass was the first Chief Counsel for OIPR, and Lawton the second. Bass and Lawton did not have in place a wall that would have kept 9/11 (or Chinagate) hidden. Rather they had in place a legal and constitutional means to facilitate such investigations and co-ordination.
Clinton, Reno, Struggs and subsequently Gorelick did replace a means of co-ordination between the primary intelligence agencies and law enforcement with a Wall that funneled information from both sides up through an office now controlled by a political appointee (as the head of OIPR became after 2003), turning what had been an affective and legal means of co-ordination into an affective but illegal means of cover-up.
Do not fall for the claim that the Wall was there for the 15 years prior to Gorelick's memo. It was there for about two years prior.
Reno unhurt in minor car accident
May 9, 2002 Posted: 11:10 AM EDT (1510 GMT)
MIAMI (CNN) -- Former Attorney General and gubernatorial candidate Janet Reno was in a minor car accident Thursday morning, police said.
She was not injured and neither was the driver of the other car.
"She's fine," said Jennifer Kilpatrick, a spokeswoman for her campaign. "Her biggest concern was that she was going to miss her haircut."
Police provided few details about the accident, saying a report was being prepared.
The accident, near Reno's home in a Miami suburb, involved Reno's red pickup truck, which she has been driving around the state during her campaign.
Reno is seeking the Democratic nomination for governor.
The article found at the adress below, sent to me by a FReeper here...is EXPLOSIVE in the detail regarding the flow of information schruggs and gorelick put into place.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13516
The clinton's manipulation and control of our intelligence agencies was absolutely frightening.
That said, SOCOM is out of its league when dealing with counterterrorism investigations. It may have the mission and assets to hunt down and kill terrorists in the field, but it is not their mission to conduct CT at a strategic level or from a homeland security perspective. SOCOM attorneys may have felt that there were legal problems in coordinating with the FBI (ignorance of what EO 12333 authorizes, misreading of the "wall", misapplication of Posse Comitatus), but that's because they don't normally coordinate with the FBI. However, lawyers at the Army INSCOM, Department of the Army, and DIA levels are very familiar with how to share information with the FBI. Pentagon lawyers familiar with CT and espionage investigations have FBI intelligence officials on their speed-dial. As a former colleague pointed out the other day, Army intel would have gotten material relating to the Atta group in Brooklyn off their desk and into FBI hands immediately.
So all I am saying, if what I read above is accurate, then perhaps Gorelick cannot be pinned down to take some sort of direct blame on this particular issue. That does not imply I think Gorelick and Reno should not be hauling around a heavy black ball at the end of a chain attached to their ankles.
As an example of the danger of falling for this claim, notice the following story, where O'Reilly was sandbagged by this claim.
In essence, FISA defined a wall -- and a door. In Alice in Wonderland fashion, Clinton changed the door so that entering from either side led to Clinton's political appointees, rather than to the other side.
From " Media Matters "; by Paul Waldman and Jamison:
Able? Not so much. Danger? You bet.The coverup of the coverup continues.The strange conspiracy theory that is the Able Danger story continues to befuddle journalists and the public alike. On August 24, The New York Times told us that Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott had come forward to back up the claim by Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer that military intelligence unit Able Danger identified lead 9-11 hijacker Mohammed Atta prior to the September 11, 2001, attacks. But in fact, Phillpott turns out to be the source for Shaffer's claim in the first place.
Not that that would stop Fox News from getting breathless. On Fox News' Fox News Live, anchor Jon Scott reported that Phillpott "has come forward to back up claims" that Atta was identified in early 2000, while national correspondent Catherine Herridge asked: "If the documents [proving Atta was identified] are never found, will we reach a point when enough people have gone public to say it happened that perhaps the documents may ultimately not be that significant?" Who needs documents?
But somehow or other, this must all be Bill Clinton's fault, right? Of course, or nearly so. According to Fox News host Bill O'Reilly, it's all former deputy attorney general in the Clinton administration Jamie Gorelick's fault, because O'Reilly claims (falsely) that Gorelick's "involvement in building a symbolic wall between U.S. intelligence agencies and those investigating criminal activity" aided in creating "mass confusion among the agencies that are supposed to protect us" before the 9-11 terrorist attacks. That confusion, he suggested, was responsible for the purported failure on the part of Department of Defense officials to pass on to the FBI military intelligence purportedly identifying Atta.
If O'Reilly was looking for support from former Republican senator and 9-11 Commission member Slade Gorton when he had him on his show on August 22, he got a rude surprise. Gorton gave O'Reilly a scolding about his criticism of Gorelick. "We agree on a number of things," Gorton said. "I'm no defender of Janet Reno as an attorney general. But what I'm telling you is that the wall was created by laws sponsored by the Church Committee back in the 1970s. And they went all the way through until after 9-11 was over. And that nothing Jamie Gorelick wrote had the slightest impact on the Department of Defense or its willingness or ability to share intelligence information with other intelligence agencies." Chastened, O'Reilly could only respond, "All right. We'll let the audience decide, Senator."
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