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To: Bombardier
"Leviathan" and "Behemoth" were dinosaurs? What criteria do you use to define a dinosaur?

Over-sized reptiles. They recently found T-Rex bones with soft tissue inside. 65 million years is comedy.

358 posted on 08/30/2005 9:53:28 AM PDT by bondserv (Creation sings a song of praise, Declaring the wonders of Your ways †)
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To: bondserv
Oversized reptiles? That's it????? By your definition, a 20 foot Orinoco croc would be classed as a dinosaur!

Distinguishing characteristics of a dinosaur:

"S" curve in the cervical vertebrae.
Erect stance, legs do not sprawl.
Diapsid skull.
Endothermy.
Lays hard shelled amniotic eggs.
Teeth in sockets, or keratin covered beak.

Sixty-five million years is fact. Rita Rudner is comedy, so is basing a definition of a whole monophyletic group upon a characteristic not found in 90% of specimens of that group. Ever hear of Eoraptor? One of the earliest known dinosaurs (Triassic period) and my Yorkie terrier is bigger than that animal was. Does that make my Yorkie a dinosaur? Ever seen a Canada goose? How about a robin or a sparrow? Those are maniraptoran theropods....dinosaurs.

Pluck the feathers from any given bird, and you will notice something: The "s" curve in the neck, the erect leg placement, the diapsid skull with the sclerotic ring found primarily in theropods, the keratin covered beak (and occasionally a bird hatches that has teeth....suppressor genes have denied most birds teeth for multiple millions of years, but the genetic material for dentition is still present), and birds are endothermic. Birds are simply derived theropods.....dinosaurs. Crocs are primitive archosaurs, related to dinosaurs, but not dinosaurs. And size has nothing to do with it.

362 posted on 08/30/2005 10:15:58 AM PDT by Bombardier ("Religion of Peace" my butt.....sell that snakeoil to someone who'll buy it!)
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To: bondserv

Do you always make up facts to support you cause?

http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/dinoblood.html

"Normally, following death, the remains are destroyed through scavenging and decomposition. However, during fossilization, hard materials are replaced with minerals. Normally, bacterial enter into the center of bones through breaks or through the holes through which blood vessels and nerves pass. The soft tissue is usually destroyed within a short period of time. In this instance, the soft tissue seems to have been preserved through dehydration and sealed from the presence of water and further decomposition. Contrary to the claims of some young earth creationists, the tissue is obviously not fresh, since it exhibits coloring that is not characteristic of fresh tissue. Fresh blood vessels and connective tissue are nearly transparent (except the blood cells themselves), which is why the ostrich tissue had to be chemically stained to produce the pictures used in the article. Another difference between the ostrich tissue and T rex material was the requirement to use collagenase to release blood vessels from ostrich bone matrix. This fact indicates that much of the collagen from the T rex sample was already degraded. The primary author indicated that the bones have a distinct odor, characteristic of "embalming fluids."2 Therefore, it is possible that the bones landed in some chemical stew that preserved the soft tissue inside from decomposition. For example, peat bogs produce chemicals that have preserved human bodies for thousands of years. It is likely that some similar rare process has preserved the soft tissue inside some T. rex bones."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4379577.stm


368 posted on 08/30/2005 1:44:19 PM PDT by SolarisRocks
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