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To: rawhide
You are asking me to prove science by throwing away the one thing I rely upon more than anything else.

No,I am asking you to provide evidence, other than the words in the Bible itself, that your interpretation of the Bible is correct.

What you are engaging in is the logical fallacy of circular reasoning- you are using the Bible to prove the Bible. That is not a compelling argument and it is not a basis for discrediting the scienctific evidence that is available to the contrary.

I am not asking you to ignore wherever you get your beliefs from, and prove your argument.

My personal beliefs as to the nature of God and religion are completely immaterial to my position regarding humans and dinosaurs interacting. I base that position on scientific evidence, not my personal feelings and emotions.

If you choose by ignorance not believe this, because you choose to have science prove everything you believe, you are in for a big disappointment and much sorrow.

The ignorance in this debate is on the part of creationists. You folks are the ones who are going out of your way to ignore all of the evidence.

Do you and others feel like if you can destroy a person's foundation, then you can destroy their faith, and at the same time prove your point and elevate yourselves?

I personally don't care what your religious beliefs might be. However, I am opposed to your conclusions regarding science. That's why I debate creationists.

By the way, just to answer your question you posed to me concerning dinosaurs, I direct you to a most interesting and exhaustive site to visit

I'm familiar with answers in genesis. Anyone who has been on the crevo threads for any amount of time will see that pretty much everything on that site has been discredited.

343 posted on 08/30/2005 9:01:56 AM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: Modernman
No,I am asking you to provide evidence, other than the words in the Bible itself, that your interpretation of the Bible is correct. What you are engaging in is the logical fallacy of circular reasoning you are using the Bible to prove the Bible. That is not a compelling argument and it is not a basis for discrediting the scientific evidence that is available to the contrary.

You know, the Bible is not a science book, but it is a book that explains where creation came from, and how we fit in all of this. Do you have these answers? You think you might, because of science, but science does not have all these answers. Man has tried to devise many theories and come up with answers, but they all fall short. Where is all of this scientific evidence you have to back up your assertions? You keep speaking about these, but I see no proof. You are like a lot of people who like to spew forth the same old tired lines, with no evidence backing up what you are saying. You must think that if you say it enough, maybe it will become the truth. You come with statements/theories that other men have devised, created, fabricated over the years, but I am not seeing any of the hard irrefutable facts, that you like to speak about. As far as using the Bible to prove the Bible, I have not tried to do this. And your accusation I have done this is wrong. All I have done is taken the time to read Bible as it is written, and I have read it and studied it, I come to conclusion that God is the author of it. So when I read that God created everything and He did it in six days, well, that sits well with me, so I choose to believe it. This is my faith.

My personal beliefs as to the nature of God and religion are completely immaterial to my position regarding humans and dinosaurs interacting. I base that position on scientific evidence, not my personal feelings and emotions.

You started this discussion because you do not want to consider the possiblilty, that evidence exists, showing humans and dinosaurs might have existed at the same time. I say to you the Bible says they did. That is why I find it easy to believe they did co-exist together. If I truly believe God is the author of the bible, and I do, then I have no trouble believing humans and dinosaurs co-existed. Can I give to you hard scientific evidence to prove that they both existed at the same time? Not to satisfy you, I'm sure, even though I pointed you to a website that would give you your scientific evidence. But you cannot accept what I have already given you, so why should I give you more? I did not see you refute that this website is scientifically wrong with what they present, proving to me and others that they are wrong in all that they are about? You can't use the argument: 'they are religious, therefore they must be wrong about science'. But truthfully, isn't your mind already made up with what you believe? You know, I confess, there is much discussion among many experts on this subject, with some saying that here is something that proves it was true, and there are others that are out there disagreeing. But let me ask you, do you have hard scientific evidence to prove they did not co-exist? The absence of any evidence, proving to you scientifically, that they co-existed together, does not prove beyond any reasonable doubt they did not co-exist together. In other words, just because the evidence is not scientifically and physically present, does not prove the argument one way or the other.(of course, my evidence is the Bible, which proves to me they did co-exist together, but you have ruled that out.) So your turn would be to give me the irrefutable evidence they did not? I'm waiting.

The ignorance in this debate is on the part of creationists. You folks are the ones who are going out of your way to ignore all of the evidence.

Again, I ask for your evidence that is was not possible that they co-existed together. You know, down throughout the years, man has come up with all kinds of theories or so-called evidence to refute the Bible and the story of creation, dinosaurs and such. But time and time again, these theories prove to be wrong, or the evidence is found to be interpreted inaccurately, and (gasp) even fabricated! I laugh at this, because this shows me that man cannot prove God wrong. Do you want to give it a shot?

I personally don't care what your religious beliefs might be. However, I am opposed to your conclusions regarding science. That's why I debate creationists.

I think you do care what my religious beliefs are, or you would not care to oppose my beliefs. I tell you this, if you think science has all the answers, you are dead wrong. I have a serious question for you, do you really believe science has all the answers? I await your interesting response.

I'm familiar with answers in genesis. Anyone who has been on the crevo threads for any amount of time will see that pretty much everything on that site has been discredited.

I do not have a clue what you mean by 'crevo threads', care to explain? I'm glad you are familiar with www.answeringenesis.com because it is a good site, that will give you answers to your questions. Let me ask you something, do you really care to know what the truth is regarding all we have discussed? I tell you that I do! If I am wrong, then most definitely, I want to know that, so I can be right. Tell me, can you honestly say the same thing? I know, I know, you think you are right, but if you were wrong, would you want to know the truth?

395 posted on 08/30/2005 8:23:49 PM PDT by rawhide
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