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Bush is bankrupting the conservative movement
MatthewStinson.net ^ | 08.22.05 | Matthew Stinson

Posted on 08/24/2005 1:15:06 AM PDT by Dr. Marten

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To: Dr. Marten
Every conservative, in retrospect, should admit that the “Compassionate Conservatism” of Bush’s 2000 campaign was little more than dressing up the welfare state in soccer mom-friendly Republican talking points. We cannot therefore be surprised that Bush’s main domestic accomplishment, compared to a hypothetical Kerry or Gore administration, has been to increase the size of government at a slower rate than Democrats desired.

Agreed. But we were screamed at by the statist Bushbots on FR when we first brought this up. The GOP is mostly a joke. Where's the conservatism in big government?

A little less compassion, and a little more conservatism, please.

41 posted on 08/24/2005 4:21:05 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Fairtax.org)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

We already are giving in. This war has had 10 times more casualties than it needed to because of our tiptoeing around politics. If this war was run by the military and not politicians, we would've leveled every mosque than a bullet came from, leveled every Syrian terrorist camp, tortured every prisoner for vital information, and called the media on every lie they constructed.


42 posted on 08/24/2005 4:24:38 AM PDT by DefiantZERO
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To: Hank Rearden
So, Republicans, how's that "limited government" thingie you promised us coming along, anyway?

Limited government is a dead idea. Neither Party will deliver that. Only larger government shaped by their respective social agendas.

43 posted on 08/24/2005 4:25:55 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

The divide on FR and in general is that some of us will fight to revive the idea and others (most of us, I'm sorry to say) will roll over.


44 posted on 08/24/2005 4:27:32 AM PDT by DefiantZERO
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To: Dr. Marten
It isn't that Bush wouldn't love to sign an amnesty bill for illegals. He's certainly brought it up.

George W. Bush's non-defense spending makes Bill Clinton's pale by comparison.

Bush has pushed more spending by the federal Dept. of Education which has never educated a single child. He has increased funding of the National Endowment for the Arts which agency Republicans once targeted for complete elimination for its wasteful and unnecessary federal spending.

Bush also signed the most profligate spending fiasco in U.S. history in the form of that massive farm subsidies bill.

There are no "small government" types left in Washington, in either major party.

45 posted on 08/24/2005 4:28:25 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

Sssshhh, don't criticise Bush, it makes you a Kerry supporter! </sarc>


46 posted on 08/24/2005 4:30:51 AM PDT by DefiantZERO
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To: mariabush

"And do not forget that Reagan did not avenge our Marines!!!!!!!!"

Until Afghanistan that had always bothered me in "nothing we can do about it" kind of way.


47 posted on 08/24/2005 4:34:33 AM PDT by Rebelbase ("Run Hillary Run" bumper stickers. Liberals place on rear bumper, conservatives put on front bumper)
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To: ovrtaxt
I note your tagline: (Fairtax.org)
Is there a pinglist for that? If so, please add me to it.

I have become a big proponent of the FairTax.
I've just finished reading Neil Boortz's book on the FairTax. I highly recommend it.

If the Republican party, and President Bush wants to regain their /his popularity, they would work to immediately overhaul our oppressive tax system, and abolish the IRS.

Regards
48 posted on 08/24/2005 4:39:54 AM PDT by FBD ("...the border is a dangerous place..."~DHS Sec. Michael Chertoff House Testimony)
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To: Dane
Dane, you're a joke. How can anyone take you seriously when your views line up with those of the SPLC, or that silly gaggle of America hating leftists that Travis McGee documented at the San Diego border rally? You're a joke. You have no credibility, no 'capital' to spend. You're a party hack and that's all. Do you get paid to hang out on FR and defend this big government bull___!t? Why you're allowed to spew your socialist crap here is beyond me.
49 posted on 08/24/2005 4:39:58 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Fairtax.org)
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To: mariabush
Not allowing our Marines to be armed in Lebanon.

Cutting and running from Lebanon.

To those who complain that Dubya is no Ronald Reagan, I say....THAT'S A GOOD THING

50 posted on 08/24/2005 4:40:08 AM PDT by OldFriend (MERCY TO THE GUILTY IS CRUELTY TO THE INNOCENT ~ Adam Smith)
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To: FBD
couldn't have said it better myself.

I received a call the other day from the National Republican Party asking for money. The poor guy got an ear-full from me. All of my years working in politics to help get Republicans in the majority, and look what they do! so "sweetie, sweetie", just "getting along" with the dems! I've had it with them rubbing elbows with the enemy. They've all got a limited amount of time to prove themselves--or they're out!!

51 posted on 08/24/2005 4:40:30 AM PDT by GOP_Thug_Mom (Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions)
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To: Dr. Marten

You joined the ranks of ms. cinderbrain, and moore, and now you're annoyed that the similarities are noticed?????????


52 posted on 08/24/2005 4:41:43 AM PDT by OldFriend (MERCY TO THE GUILTY IS CRUELTY TO THE INNOCENT ~ Adam Smith)
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To: FBD

ancient_geezer has the fairtax ping list. He's the resident genius on the subject. He'll gladly add you if you ping him.


53 posted on 08/24/2005 4:42:36 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Fairtax.org)
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To: Hank Rearden; Gipper08; Reagan Man; Reaganwuzthebest; Dr. Marten; leadpenny; FBD; Tulsa Brian; ...
"In fact, a strong case can be made that Bush, Rove, and Congressional Republicans had no intention to advance a domestic conservative agenda in the first place."

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Bush faces GOP fight over guest workers

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President Bush faces a major rebellion within his own party if he follows through on a promise to push legislation that would offer millions of illegal immigrants a path to U.S. citizenship. Almost no issue divides Republicans as deeply.
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Is There A Backbone In The House?

Another example is that of border security and illegal immigration.

Republicans are supposed to be tough on terror, but when it comes to the thousands of miles of unprotected borders, Republicans are playing politics while the security of America is at stake.

To fight a real war on terror, government officials must make it as tough as possible for terrorists to enter the country illegally.

Yet, whenever some Republicans come forward and talk about fighting illegal immigration and increasing border security, other Republicans are backing down under fear of being called "racist" or "insensitive."

Perhaps Republican legislators need to increase the calcium in their diets so they can grow a backbone.

Instead of the image of tough legislators fighting for conservative values and issues, the images that come to mind more often than not when thinking of Republicans in Washington are those of a family of jellyfish.


54 posted on 08/24/2005 4:45:26 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Dane
Also he sounds like cindy sheehan and michael moore about Iraq.

I don't recall them calling for war with Iran and North Korea.

55 posted on 08/24/2005 4:46:00 AM PDT by montag813
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To: OldFriend

Thanks, so few on this site agree with us.


56 posted on 08/24/2005 4:47:20 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, Over there, we will be there until it is Over there.")
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To: ovrtaxt
Dane, you're a joke. How can anyone take you seriously when your views line up with those of the SPLC, or that silly gaggle of America hating leftists that Travis McGee documented at the San Diego border rally? You're a joke. You have no credibility, no 'capital' to spend. You're a party hack and that's all. Do you get paid to hang out on FR and defend this big government bull___!t? Why you're allowed to spew your socialist crap here is beyond me

Huh an education bill the NEA hates, is "big government crap"(BGC), the tax cut is BGC, signing a partial birth abortion ban is BGC.

JMO, if the all of DC closed up shop, you would call it BGC.

JMO, you are a malcontent and will never be pleased. You live to complain and always will.

57 posted on 08/24/2005 4:48:08 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: KeyWest
Reagan, who we all worship, grew gov faster and larger than Bush.

FYI - that's not an accurate statement. Source

58 posted on 08/24/2005 4:49:48 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Dr. Marten
The Bush II era has not been a lot of things we could have wished for, but it has:

1-demonstrated the superiority of conservative tax policy, possibly forever banishing "tax cuts for the rich" from the liberal playbook, certainly rendering it useless.

2-No matter what one thinks of the decision to go into Iraq, the liberals have been exposed as weak on defense. No matter the outcome of Iraq, I will never be convinced we would be safer with Saddam Hussein still out there, with billions of dollars and motive to do us harm.

3-Bush has provided a stark contrast between Clinton's "government by poll watching" and government by conviction.

4-Bush has helped expose the MSM's pitifull predictive powers, their extreme negativism if not their bias.

5-Bush has seized moral high-ground from the Dems as relates to minorities, and helped to expose the lie that Republicans are bigoted. For the future, no small thing, this one.

6-The Bush II tenure has been scandal free, another stark contrast which bodes well for future Republican campaigns for any office.

59 posted on 08/24/2005 4:51:37 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: Dane

You're actually defending the Ted Kennedy education bill?!?

And as for my complaining, you just hear it from me because you usually promote all the socialist crap that I'm against! You're a troll to the max. Probably bought and paid for. A mental whore.


60 posted on 08/24/2005 4:51:40 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Fairtax.org)
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