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To: F14 Pilot
The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America on Saturday agreed to launch a campaign for peace between Israel and the Palestinians that Jewish advocates said could be seen in the Arab world as evidence of a growing condemnation of Israel by U.S. Protestants.

Martin Luther is spinning in his grave and the door on the Roman Church at Worms has fallen down...

20 posted on 08/15/2005 7:14:14 AM PDT by meandog (FOR LURKING DUers)
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To: meandog

"...Martin Luther is spinning in his grave and the door on the Roman Church at Worms has fallen down..."


BuHuHaHa! I doubt that. Martin Luther was a fanatic anti-Semite. In his essay "The jews and their lies" he was standing for the following positions:


(1) Burn down all synagogues.
(2) Burn down jewish houses.
(3) Take away jewish scripures.
(4) Prohibit all forms of jewish service. Kill all rabbis who break this law
(5) Take away the right to move freely on the streets for jews.
(6) Take away the right to take interest rates for jews.
(7) Make all jews working so hard on the fields that sweat shall ran down their noses (that is written in very funny German - Luther had great oratory) :-)


BTW - The fact, that Luther was a stauch jew-hater made it easy for Hitler to gain broad support from the Lutheran Church (Evangelische Kirche) in Germany during the 30ties. Luther belonged to those who opened the intellectual way to the "Kirstallnacht". He was a complex person with many different faces that made some fundamental faults, although he pushed Europe into modern thinking and modern times. He had his merits but he was for sure no saint. Rather a brave fighter for his truth. If you want to read a part of the text of "von den Juden und Ihren Lügen - the jews and their lies" in the original:

(the Numbers mark the positions of the english summary above)


"(1)Erstlich, das man jre Synagoga oder Schule mit feur anstecke und, was nicht verbrennen will, mit erden überheufe und beschütte, das kein Mensch ein stein oder schlacke davon sehe ewiglich. Und solches sol man thun, unserm Herrn und der Christenheit zu ehren damit Gott sehe, das wir Christen seien.

(2)Zum anderen, das man auch jre Heuser des gleichen zerbreche und zerstöre, Denn sie treiben eben dasselbige drinnen, das sie in jren Schülen treiben. Dafur mag man sie etwa unter ein Dach oder Stall thun, wie die Zigeuner, auff das sie wissen, sie seien nicht Herren in unserem Lande...

(3)Zum dritten, das man jnen nehme all jre Betbüchlein und Thalmudisten, darin solche Abgötterey, lügen, fluch und lesterung geleret wird.

(4)Zum vierten, das man jren Rabinen bey leib und leben verbiete, hinfurt zu leren...

(5)Zum fünften, das man die Jüden das Geleid und Straße gantz und gar auffhebe...

(6) Zum sechsten, das man jnen den Wucher verbiete und neme jnen alle barschafft und kleinot an Silber und Gold, und lege es beiseit zu verwaren...

(7)Zum siebenden, das man den jungen, starcken Jüden und Jüdin in die Hand gebe flegel, axt, karst, spaten, rocken, spindel und lasse sie jr brot verdienen im schweis der nasen..."
(Martin Luther, Von den Juden und ihren Lügen)


P.S. To me it is a shame that the Lutheran churches never really worked on their dark past. I found out that many of their worshippers do not even know about it. The new film about Martin Luther i.e. gave us just a sugarcoated picture. Of course Luther was right in reference to the catholic church and their selling of indulgences, but he had for sure his human deficits towards women or jews.


35 posted on 08/15/2005 8:33:56 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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