Posted on 08/15/2005 6:44:28 AM PDT by F14 Pilot
Yes to both of you. Nutty and misguided, but not evil and definitely of his time.
My point was that criticizing Israel about the security wall falls right into both of those sentiments. It's as nutty as Luther's obsession with his bowel, and the congregations who follow this thinking are definitely of this time.
(My apologies being cruel in bringing this point home. I think Christians of all walks and Jews need to stand firmly together - let the Muslims and their secular defenders fight amongst themselves.)
How can a person conceal himself from the jinn when in the toilet?
;-)
In other words, they're liars.
They had done so well to resist the temptation to bless same-sex marriage or allow homosexual pastors, and then they do this. Amazing.
Lutherans and reform Jews
go together like SS and Kapo
You're absolutely right. We DO need to stand together to protect Israel from the Muslims and others who would do her in (including our own). It's time the church arose and took her place in this crazy universe. Mxxx
...not trying to imply he wasn't an antisemite; only that he was very much in favor of wall building (especially between Catholicism and Protestantism)
Let them preach to the Amelekites!
One of the many reasons I'm an *ex* ELCA member...
"Good grief, another Lutheran lunacy. These folks have never read their Bible or know how God feels about Israel, the apple of His eye. Touch Israel, folks, and you are doomed."
Geez, too many of you Freepers are continuing to ignore that the ELCA is only ONE BREAKAWAY BRANCH of the Lutheran Church. The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod is the original and is very very conservative. Please stop lumping your comments and cracks as if it is all Lutherans. It is one liberal whacko breakaway branch, and does not by any means speak for the conservative branch. Lutherans ARE NOT ALL THE SAME BRANCH!!!!!!!
I KNOW THAT!
Someone needs to tell it to that darned old MSM. But then, they agree with the ELCA (leadership) and want everyone to think that ALL lutherans are behind this stuff, in hopes that the sheep mentality will work yet again.
RB: What are you hoping for? This synod is hopelessly lost. It is gone. I saw the light 13 years ago. I am so thankful to be out of there. We are in a Bible-believing LCMS and we couldn't be happier. I wish the same serenity for you.
Toward the latter part of his life, he was, but he did not start out that way. Martin Luther initially respected Jews and considered them God's chosen people. Indeed he believed that for this very reason they would respond to the truth and beauty of the Gospel as he understood it. When they did not accept Jesus in response to active attempts at conversion, he recoiled and repudiated his earlier generous attitude.
Luther's failings and shortcomings are openly known and acknowledged in American Lutheranism. He is not deified as a man so much as his core theology is loved and respected(at least by us unreconstructed "traditional" Lutherans.)
I understand, however, how this would not be the case in Europe, especially after the Hitler years, as you point out.
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