Lets steer clear of personal accusations and stick with the disagreement.
The eternal shame heaped upon the appeasers is not eternal enough apparently, so quixotic and ephemeral is the modern appeasers ability to remember accurately or apply the lessons of history faithfully. They won't see reality clearly...by choice. Just as liberalism is a mental disorder, so is one of its primary traits...appeasement.
Well, I'm not appeasing anyone. I want communism to end in China. I just don't think there is a grand plan to industrialize China for the reason that China can launch an assault on the world. I think the purpose is to provide a standard of living for the people to maintain stability.
BTW, that is one of the things the Chinese and Arabs both pride themselves on...is a superior grasp of those lessons of history over every other culture (so they imagine anyways). And they especially prize their duplicity against the enemy. And they truly despise weakness, which is how they perceive us intellectually and morally when we fail to perceive their enmity. And who is to gain say them today, with our Jay Walk Generation, who can't even point to the U.S. on the globe, let alone any other nations?
Wait a minute, I thought the issue was about communism and military build up? Are you really then, against China, whether free or not, increasing their standard of living? And aren't you making generalities of Chinese and Arabs in an argument about military?
Those who don't see what's coming have scales over their eyes. Most likely of a purpose. It could be spiritual hubris, and/or self-imagined wisdom or greatness. I should also note that you seem to be tilting against the DOD itself. Is it alarmist? With a raft full of Panda-Hugging Chinese apologists...they still are beginning to voice the very same concerns we have been making ever since China successfully stole all of our nuclear secrets...
Do you remember the PLA's hutzpah then? Apparently filled with self-confidence in their ultimate victory, they brazenly TOLD US they had done so. Perhaps knowing that their kept President Xlinton, and the China Import lobby would soon manage to make everyone in the U.S. forget what was really happening...and continuing to happen...and make the Cox Report of no effect. "Time heals all wounds" especially in an amnesiac society too self-absorbed.
You seem to be hard on a society that doesn't share your strong opinion of China...
They count on us being blinded, mesmerized by a weak understanding of China, and of the World in general...too proud to accept that we are in fact being mortally challenged. That we are on the receiving end of an undeclared war, which only temporarily remains covert and non-shooting. To appeasers, Winston Churchill ALWAYS appeared to be a foolish alarmist. "The Better View" was always condescending and disparaging towards the TRUTH, and they engaged in vitriolic personal condemnation of him. Have you ever once in your life wondered why that was so?
Don't forget every Winston Churchhill, there is many many more who are actually wrong, but history does not record these folks because they fade into history.
Do you think we are any brighter, smarter, or better educated than Stanley Baldwin or Neville Chamberlain in their day? In fact, as a society, and the officials in our government...are demonstrably less so. So because we are currently riding high...we imagine in vainglory that we always will be. Hubris.
You seem to think society is somehow living in a vacuum because the anti-China sentiment is not as strong as yours. I would think the measure of how self absorbed a society is, would be measure in areas such as how indifferent society is towards the 30,000 children that die everyday throughout the world rather than whether or not how China is industrializing or what they are spending on their military.
I Corinthians 1:27 " But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty..."
Well, I see that you are familar with the Bible. When I read that verse, this is in reference to being a witness for God. In what context are you using it?
Now that you have been called out on multiple disparagemeents, you try and claim the higher ground. Too late. You were caught red-handed. Mr. "Anti-Alarmist".
Well, I'm not appeasing anyone. I want communism to end in China.
So you are an anti-communist now? (Mr. 30,000 daily deaths of children) Not by any evidence of your policy of see-no-evil in China. Walter Duranty had nothing on you. Not appeasing? Prove it. Read some of the serious warnings about the Communist Chinese military potential...after it is allowed to "ascend peacefully" but without any fundamental ideological change...an unregenerate and bitterly hostile enemy to the West.
I just don't think there is a grand plan to industrialize China for the reason that China can launch an assault on the world.
Appeasement. Refusing to see the world as it is.
I think the purpose is to provide a standard of living for the people to maintain stability.
Typical self-justifying rationalization of appeasers. "Lebensraum"...was a similar pretext. If they want to improve their standard of living...then all they need do is adopt capitalism and FREE enterprise. Eliminate the Socialist superstructure...let wages float. Let people move. Let them organize for bettering their condition. Let them seek higher wages. Let them leave the country without being a Party apparatchik. Let them own property without the Party say so. Let them own their own inventions, and profit thereby. Let the currency float. Let freedom ring. But they will never do ANY of that so long as their ruling class fervently believes in "scientific socialism". Read their Constitution. It says it all. The western export sector is a managed "exception" that is rigorously maintained as such. And the wages are kept down not just for the national purpose of maintaining their economic black hole operation to suck in all the world's industry and technology. But to keep the peasants from becoming a true middle class (and hence ending your poverty issue)...and prevent democracy from finding fertile soil.
Does the living standard pretense soothe your conscience? While meanwhile a policy of see-no-evil endangers the existence of liberty all across the globe...and the very existence of the U.S.A.?
Are you really then, against China, whether free or not, increasing their standard of living?
No, obviously not. See the above explication. But you manifestly are, since you are opposed to challenging the Communists. You are opposed to evicting the communists, post-haste.
And aren't you making generalities of Chinese and Arabs in an argument about military?
Uh, I was responding to some of YOUR generalities...such as your latest, for example, the "living standard" pretextual justification to "see-no-evil". You denied that they were motivated by anything other than bettering their people's life styles. Not so.
The PRC pursues (in their value system) higher purposes than what you value in yours...which they would frankly deem petty. This is analogous to the distinction between Sparta and Athena. The Chinese as a whole understand (certainly the ones I have met) this militarized mindset perfectly well, as does the average jihadist, that they are at war with the United States. It is thus not surprising that Bejing's top military commanders thence met with Osama Bin Laden five times prior to 9-11. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." So much for their just worrying about the living standards of their peasants...as they flagrantly risk getting all of them and us incinerated in a nuclear war.
You seem to be hard on a society that doesn't share your strong opinion of China...
Actually, not the society , no. Just the individuals who are invidious culprits in the mass delusion. The American society by and large does, fortunately, show it has a real concern about all these things. Just because the New York Times and the liberal elite don't does not account for the American majority. It never gets polled, if you'll note by the Gallup organization, or if so,never published.
WHY do you think the country ousted Al Gore in 2004? Because of "compassionate" conservatism? Give me a break. The public knew RINOism is not as good as the Real Thing. Authentic Conservatism. But they weren't offered that...no authentic Reaganism, anyways. But still, we all knew half a loaf was better than none. They wanted honesty. They wanted national security. And most of all, the people wanted their own government again, not one catering to every whim of China's communist rulers. GWB appeared certainly better than the alternative of leaving the culprits in power. And the second election was a re-run of the first with still another Marxist Turncoat pretending to be something else as the Rat candidate, but the Iraq war muddling the issues. Again the conservative Base saved GWB bacon.
I note you are fairly oblivious to the China-gate issue, and Los Alamos-gate, Lawrence Livermore-gate and the ongoing 3,000 PLA front companies and 450,000 spies and part-timers here. You don't answer any of the challenges, just try and pivot and play a new line. Typical.
Don't forget [for] every Winston Churchhill, there is [are] many many more who are actually wrong, but history does not record these folks because they fade into history.
Oh, really? Such as Demosthenes? Or Ronald Reagan? And of those you assert were wrong, how many influenced the policies successfully so that the collisions warned of were in fact averted? (Thus making them "wrong") I wouldn't mind be "wrong" under those circumstances. That's all we want. Policy change. Awareness. Stop tempting fate, and risking smugly blundering into a collossal strategic surprise. Not unlike Churchill. If he had been heeded, Hitler would have been ended without WW-II. He also warned us about the Soviets, and FDR laughed it off. So wave around your claim that there are "many" "wrong...folks" as if it in any way can apply to the real and growing threat of COMMUNIST China...which has openly declared itself an enemy at almost all levels but the diplomatic...where the arts of deception are feeding the self-delusory U.S. State-Dept types all the lines they want to hear. Suckers for the Lie of the Day.
I would think the measure of how self absorbed a society is, would be measure in areas such as how indifferent society is towards the 30,000 children that die everyday throughout the world rather than whether or not how China is industrializing or what they are spending on their military.
The liberals are always shrilly foisting this guilt trip on Americans. This is a false dichotomy. The U.S. already does more than the rest of the planet put together trying to feed "the poor." However, there is a graver threat. How many more people will starve or die far worse deaths still in WW-IV? Preventing WW-IV...on the cheap... is the best thing you can do for the global condition of mankind... Appeasement won't prevent it. It will merely feed the Dragon, and grow it, and make it more deadly. It merely postpones the day of reckoning.
When I read that verse, this is in reference to being a witness for God. In what context are you using it?
Literally. As a general truism. If the shoe fits, wear it.