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To: GVgirl

I doubt the framers of the constitution, when impowering the federal government to impose excise taxes would even recognize the concept of a consumption tax.


Federalist #12:


Federalist #21:


And how would this society change when you are personally responsible for delivering-up to the government every penny on every transaction?

Seeing as the FairTax is a tax on retail sales only, that is rather for from the mark.

As regards who is expected to pay taxes in the United States under the Constitution as it was designed to work:

Federalist #39:



There are but two modes by which men are connected in society, the one which operates on individuals, this always has been, and ought still to be called, national government; the other which binds States and governments together (not corporations, for there is no considerable nation on earth, despotic, monarchical, or republican, that does not contain many subordinate corporations with various constitutions) this last has heretofore been denominated a league or confederacy. The term federalists is therefore improperly applied to themselves, by the friends and supporters of the proposed constitution.


Federalist #34:


The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787
(Farrand's Records)
James Mchenry before the Maryland House of Delegates.
Maryland Novr. 29th 1787--
Appendix A, CXLVIa, page 149, S9.
"Convention have also provided against any direct or Capitation Tax but according to an equal proportion among the respective States: This was thought a necessary precaution though it was the idea of every one that government would seldom have recourse to direct Taxation, and that the objects of Commerce would be more than Sufficient to answer the common exigencies of State and should further supplies be necessary, the power of Congress would not be exercised while the respective States would raise those supplies in any other manner more suitable to their own inclinations --"



Constitution for the United States of America:

by John Bouvier, Revised Sixth Edition, 1856:

"COMMERCE, trade, contracts
The exchange of commodities for commodities; considered in a legal point of view, it consists in the various agreements which have for their object to facilitate the exchange of the products of the earth or industry of man, with an intent to realize a profit. Pard. Dr. Coin. n. 1. In a narrower sense, commerce signifies any reciprocal agreements between two persons, by which one delivers to the other a thing, which the latter accepts, and for which he pays a consideration; if the consideration be money, it is called a sale; if any other thing than money, it is called exchange or barter. Domat, Dr. Pub. liv. 1, tit. 7, s. 1, n. "


by John Bouvier, Revised Sixth Edition, 1856:

In its most enlarged sense, this word is nearly equivalent to taxes, embracing all impositions or charges levied on persons or things;

by John Bouvier, Revised Sixth Edition, 1856:

This word is used to signify an inland imposition, paid sometimes upon the consumption of the commodity, and frequently upon the retail sale.

44 posted on 08/11/2005 8:52:25 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: ancient_geezer
Excellent Post! You've done your homework! Go to the head of the class!

One thing I find puzzling is that section eight in Article one list all the powers granted to Congress by the Constitution including entering into treaties with foreign powers, coining money, laying and collect taxes etc...

This means states do not have the above powers since they are listed in Article I Section 8. It would be unconstitutional for a state to coin its own money or enter into treaties with foreign nations , therefore it should also be unconstitutional for a state to lay and collect taxes and yet many states have multiple state taxes. Am I missing something?
52 posted on 08/11/2005 1:11:12 PM PDT by Man50D
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