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Belafonte shows logic is not his strong suit (ATL march aftermath)
Ramblings' Journal ^ | 8.8.05 | Michael King

Posted on 08/08/2005 7:19:14 AM PDT by mhking

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To: Terabitten
The only argument I've heard is that it could disenfranchise the infirm elderly and the most extremely poor, because they may not have access to get a state-issued ID card.

What Belafonte and Jesse and Nancy are really worried about and trying to protect are the voting rights of people in the obituaries and long-time residents of cemeteries and convicted felons. Those are the people who won't be able to drive in and get their voter ID cards.
41 posted on 08/08/2005 8:37:09 AM PDT by adorno (The democrats are the best recruiting tool the terrorists could ever have.)
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To: Terabitten

That's OK, the homeless person could present their utility bill ... uh, never mind :)


42 posted on 08/08/2005 8:40:07 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Freedom of speech makes it much easier to spot the idiots." [Jay Lessig, 2/7/2005])
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To: mhking
Harry Belafonte took the opportunity to use Nazi comparisons and to call black Republicans "tyrants."

Tyrants eh? Here's where I think tyrants come from.

What causes fanaticism and why it is dangerous.

The fanatic has an elitist view of himself. He holds a firm belief that he is "special" and has something that others, not like him, do not and that this unique "something" imparts an unquestionable and unassailable power to himself. Because of this basic self-view any disagreement with the elitist or any resistance to his actions causes anger. This "supreme" view of himself is an excuse for justifying his anger and thus justifying any act from deception to murder against those who disagree or refuse to comply with him. He is comfortable with hatred, revenge, lying or any gross deception in defense of his "superior" position and will act out against those who do resist or refuse to validate his view.

It is impossible to reason or negotiate with someone who holds the POV that they are morally and/or ethically superior by virtue of the belief that they are inherently so. Everything you do to accomodate his "concerns" (demands), short of complete capitulation, will be discounted due to your "inherent" inferiority. Any resistance to him, anything other than complete submission, becomes self-evident proof of his superiority. The elitist's POV presupposes the rationale of rightness and righteousness as inherent to himself by virtue of his personal belief not as a measure of the quality of his actions or the resulting consequences. His belief that he is superior may hang on an ideology or philosophy but regardless of whether the doctrine supports his view or not he is simply never wrong about himself. Of course the opposite is true for non-elites in the fanatic's mindset. You can never be right if you're not one of the "righteous" simply because you are not. More precisely; you are not "him."

It should be obvious why a fanatic is dangerous. Any and all negative and evil acts can be justified on the basis of any disassociation with his self-view and the "inherent authority" he carries with that. The intent and motivations of an outsider are irrelevant no matter how positive. The results of an outsider's actions are irrelevant no matter how accomodating or constructive. The non-elites are always wrong because they don't hold or submit to the fanatic's view.

The world is full of fanatics of every kind and they can base their elitist self-view on any pretext. Some belong to large groups of "like-minded" fanatics and some are individuals who cling to the delusion that they alone are "special."

In today's world the United States in particular, and western civilization in general, is under a concerted assault from two separate groups of fanatic elitists. Fundamentalist Muslims and leftists. The Islamo-nazis and the Marxists. Both leftists and Islamo-fascists hold a firm belief that they have something that rednecks and infidels don't have that carries a special authority with it. For leftists it is "intellect" and "social sophistication" and for Islamo-nazis it's a "call from Allah," a "holy annointing."

Both groups are manifestations of a mass psychological disorder resulting in fanatic elitism. Both are extremely unstable and are unfounded upon and unaffected by reasoned logic. Convinced of their own "inherent" superiority they will both press their respective agendas as far as they can without regard for the consequences to themselves or to others. In both cases the blame for all of their actions will "logically" fall on the shoulders of others, the "outsiders." Negative consequences of their actions simply become another tool for self-vindication.

The fanatic elitist mindset is the same as the mindset of the rabid dog. Nothing else exists for them except for their personal perception of themselves. Nothing else can; their POV is, by design, unaffectable by outside influence. Change can only occur from within and this means a change in the "prime directive." Change requires the abdication of their most basic point of reference, their self-view, the view that they are unique in a superior, inherent and authoritarian way. This is a view that reasonable people must either completely reject or ultimately submit to. Those are the only choices the fanatic will leave to "the others."

TigersEye - 7/27/05


43 posted on 08/08/2005 8:42:18 AM PDT by TigersEye (Appeasment of tyranny is abandonment of truth. All men are Created equal!)
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To: battlegearboat
Crazy-O, Crazy-O
Belafonte is a crazy mofo
44 posted on 08/08/2005 8:43:19 AM PDT by BJClinton (Are you aware that the First Amendment secures your right to refrain from incessant carping?)
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To: RexBeach
Time has passed them by because they are no longer acquainted with the truth.

Very good point.

45 posted on 08/08/2005 8:45:12 AM PDT by Glenmerle
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To: mhking

He has a low IQ problem, not a logic problem


46 posted on 08/08/2005 8:51:25 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: mhking
"I got interviewed on local television here about the march, and I insisted that it was a "Bash the Administration" march -- "

You only said that because you're such a tyrant. /sarcasm

Good job. We can use all they "tyrants" like you we can find.

47 posted on 08/08/2005 9:52:18 AM PDT by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
"What is it with JJ's outfits?"

He's trying to mimic his hero, Mao.

48 posted on 08/08/2005 9:58:37 AM PDT by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: mhking
Opponents insist that the measure is racist, and will cause black voter disenfranchisement.

Sounds like the opponents are racist bigots, who believe that black people are more likely to commit vote fraud by voting under a false identity using bogus ID documents.

49 posted on 08/08/2005 11:06:55 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: tumblindice

Thank you. That was a real good one.


50 posted on 08/08/2005 12:17:47 PM PDT by garyhope (Islamofascism wants the death of Western civilization. Simple as that.)
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To: BJClinton
Crazy-O, Crazy-O, Belafonte is a crazy mofo

I HATE everytime I hear that stupid "Day-O" soundclip at a sporting event. If the NHL really wants to regain credibility after its yearlong lockout, they'll never again play that piece of audio bovine excrement.

51 posted on 08/08/2005 12:18:56 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (The modern Democratic Party: Attacking our defenders and defending our attackers.)
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To: edcoil

"...Brains by wammo...."

Intellect by Matel.


52 posted on 08/08/2005 6:38:21 PM PDT by NCC-1701 (ISLAM IS A CULT!!!!! IT MUST BE ERADICATED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
"mister tallyman went bananas long ago"
LOL, the guy truly is "intellectually challenged", what an idiot.
53 posted on 08/08/2005 8:07:50 PM PDT by scott says (let the echo decide if I was right or wrong)
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To: mhking

I don't understand these people. Anger consumes them to the point of turning them into some kind of walking parrots spouting the same hateful rhetoric over and over again: Bush is a Nazi, Black Republicans are uncle Toms and lackeys, the GOP=KKK... always mad at Whites for whatever crimes their predecessors might have committed real or imaginary against Blacks. Boy, oh boy, I don't get it.


54 posted on 08/08/2005 8:30:14 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: mhking

'Sounds like a good way to cut down on voter fraud.'

...Cutting down on voter fraud to Democrats is the equivalent of garlic to a vampire.


55 posted on 08/09/2005 12:07:32 AM PDT by T Lady (The American Left: Useful Idiots for Terrorist Regimes)
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To: sofaman

Hitler had zero Jews in his group of sycophants. Not one. All Jews were marked for annihilation in the Third Reich. No one was too old for the gas chambers. No newborn was too young. Belafonte simply told a brazen lie.


56 posted on 08/10/2005 7:08:32 PM PDT by oneg12
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To: sofaman

Hitler had zero Jews in his group of sycophants. Not one. All Jews were marked for annihilation in the Third Reich. No one was too old for the gas chambers. No newborn was too young. Belafonte simply told a brazen lie.


57 posted on 08/10/2005 7:19:05 PM PDT by oneg12
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To: oneg12

I know that...so does Belafonte. The statement was so outrageous as to be unbelievable by anyone with half a brain. The more Belafonte and the rest of the looney left make these outrageous statement the more the alienate the people that they think are stupid enough to swallow their hatespeak.


58 posted on 08/10/2005 10:08:14 PM PDT by sofaman
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To: mhking
You notice how the Whip Bosses are always lynching Blacks for leaving their plantation?? If there were any Blacks working for the White Massa, it would be Democrats. The worst racism is Black on Black.

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters

59 posted on 08/10/2005 10:14:43 PM PDT by bray (Pray for the Freedom of the Iraqis from Islam)
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To: sofaman

I know Belafonte's Canadian cousin. She's so proud of him. she is Jewish and a settler in Ofra and orthodox and black. Go figure. People are a mystery to me.


60 posted on 08/11/2005 11:50:01 AM PDT by oneg12
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