Florida State to Challenge Ban on Mascots (NCAA ban)

AP via Yahoo ^ | 02/05/2005 | Michael Marot

[SuperSonic]

Chief Osceola on Renegade

[yarddog]

The NCAA has gotten involved in issues which basically are none of their business. I remember when they banned post season tournaments in South Carolina because they had a Confederate flag on the capital grounds.

I wonder if they would qualify as an illegal monopoly?

[Laverne]

My son is just entering his senior year at FSU! I say hip hip on the President of the university for his statement and his challenge. Go git em Seminoles!!!

(My daughter is a gator -- so we have some interesting times in this household -- one gator/one seminole).

[gopwinsin04]

[txrangerette]

Allriiiiiight!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you, Seminoles. And I say that as a 100% Red, White an Blue American with SOME Cherokee in my bloodline.

These PC dictators have gone one step too far over the line. Knock them flat on their rear ends!

[DugwayDuke]

"Is it deragotory to call an agriculatural person an aggie."

Derogatory? Why calling any one an aggie is a good way to start a fight in most parts of Texas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Louisianna, Kansas, and Arkansas.

[gopwinsin04]

[Let's Roll]

When I heard this NCAA "ruling" earlier today - my first thought was I wonder what the "Noles" will do about this.

[Rockingham]

I believe that there is a good chance that Florida's Seminoles will nock up arrows and toss spears against the NCAA on FSU's behalf. Relations between FSU and Florida's Seminole tribe are solid, based as they are on genuine good will rather than condescension and the bribery of tribal leaders. Consequently, the FSU Seminoles are widely popular with the rank and file of the Florida tribe. Strip away the kitsch of big time football, and the underlying reality is that Florida's Seminoles like the team and FSU likes the Seminole tribe and honors its history. Damn the NCAA and PC leftists for trying to trash that.

[daler]

I was wondering today, when I saw the article, how the University of North Dakota would respond.

Yes, most of the country probably doesn't know or care much about THE FIGHTING SIOUX, being a small Division I school, but they are perennial participants in the NCAA hockey tournament.

Further, I'm told the benefactor who "built" the state-of-the-art hockey arena for the Sioux specifically conditioned his benevolence (knowing the PC Police were out there) on THE FIGHTING SIOUX retaining their name and logo.

To the extent, in fact, that the logo is embedded in marble throughout the arena.

So...now the Fighting Sioux can't participate in or host NCAA hockey tournaments?

It'll be entertaining to see how this all plays out.

[GOPRaleigh]

I hope the 'Noles win this one. If not, look out for PETA....

[Mrs. Shawnlaw]

Is that a 'seminole' riding a Nez Perc horse? Is that called 'multiculturalism'?

[jackbill]

I'm glad to see FS challenge the NCAA, but, frankly, they don't have much to worry about post season.

Go Terps.

[Spyder]

I found this when I searched to see if UH was in trouble... Bottom line - NCAA has its collective heads up their collective @#$%s.

The NCAA wants to know what the University of Hawai'i-Manoa is doing with a "Native American" nickname.

And, UH wants to know why the NCAA thinks its nickname — Warriors — is Native American.

"That's what we told the NCAA," said John McNamara, UH associate athletic director. "They understood, but still asked us to complete the paperwork."

The NCAA has asked 30 schools, including UH, "why they have that as their nickname (and) how it correlates to their mascot," said Gail Dent, NCAA associate director of public relations.

"We're gathering information (on Warriors) because it is a name often associated with Native American imagery," Dent said. As part of the process, schools are being asked to fill out self-study questionnaires.

"It is difficult to get angry at the (university) for using it," Osorio said. "It is just when they do stupid things like having that (1980s or '90s) mascot with the body suit or changing the name without consulting anyone. People who are upset are upset because of that."

Jim Manke, UH-Manoa spokesman, said he was unaware of any complaints about the Warrior nickname by Hawaiian or Polynesian groups.

The NCAA stepped into the issue of imagery, nicknames and mascots after the NAACP began a 2000 economic boycott of South Carolina over that state's use of the Confederate flag.

When UH unveiled its new kapa-trimmed "H" logo and nicknames in 2000, a lone student protester's shouts of "Stolen Hawaiian land!" were the only protests.

There were more protests over UH cutting back the use of "

Rainbows

" which had been in use since 1923 and an administrator blaming

GAY

symbolism as a contributing factor. He later apologized.

[bwteim]

Ping

[bwteim]

"The "Seminoles" nickname was chosen by a vote of the student body in 1947. Statesmen finished second, followed by Rebels, Tarpons, Fighting Warriors and Crackers, according to the university's football media guide."

from
http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050805/APS/508050956

[Jasper]

GO 'NOLES!!! (just this once);>)

/jasper

[CFC__VRWC]

I'm a UF grad as well, and frankly, if the FSU fans at a game started with the tomahawk chop and the war chant, I'd probably join them.

[bwteim]

This is 2003 survey by NCAA
No reason to believe that more recent surveys are different.
http://www1.ncaa.org/eprise/main/membership/governance/assoc-wide/moic/2003/mascot_report/AppendixE.htm

CAMPUS CLIMATE SURVEY

American Indian Mascot Study
NCAA Minority Opportunities and Interests Committee

Institution:
Mascot:
Contact information:
Name (person completing form)
Title Phone
Please provide background information on the following. Use additional sheets if necessary.

1. Origin of the mascot name.
2. Current use of the name, including imagery and/or rituals used in portrayal of the mascot name.
3. Please describe fan and/or cheerleader antics in support of the mascot/logo.
4. Has there been any controversy (campus) associated with the use of the mascot? Please explain.
5. Has your institution undergone any review of the mascot? If so please provide the procedures, outcome and date (year).
6. Does the institution offer a Native American studies program?
7. Are there educational programs or events focused on Native Americans offered annually for students, faculty and staff?
8. Are there any established relationships between the university and an American Indian tribal council(s) or government(s)? Please explain the relationship.
9. How is the mascot viewed in the community?
10. Are there organized groups on campus supporting and/or not supporting the mascot? Explain.
Comments on the use of American Indian mascots in intercollegiate athletics. _________________

Please attach:

1. A copy of the institutional Code of Conduct for Students.
2. A copy of the Code of Conduct for Student-Athletes (if different).
3. A copy of the licensed logo/mascot.
4. A copy of the official fight song.
5. Videotape of mascot performance (if available).

Thank you for your assistance. Completed surveys should be returned by August 26 to:

Rochelle M. Collins
Director of Professional Development
NCAA
P.O. Box 6222
Indianapolis, Indiana 46206
Fax: 317/917-6336


ALSO

See
U of North Dakota for their completion of the 2002 survey.

http://www.und.edu/org/bridges/ncaa_survey.html

[joem15]

Why can't we celebrate the Native American Heritage through colleges such as FSU. The people of Seminole heritage should welcome the positive image presented by FSU.