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An interview with Christopher Hitchens ("Moral and political collapse" of the Left in the US)
Washington Prism.org ^ | June 16, 2005

Posted on 08/05/2005 12:06:43 AM PDT by F14 Pilot

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1 posted on 08/05/2005 12:06:47 AM PDT by F14 Pilot
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To: DoctorZIn; McGavin999; freedom44; nuconvert; sionnsar; AdmSmith; parisa; onyx; Pro-Bush; Valin; ...

Hitchens' PING!


2 posted on 08/05/2005 12:11:05 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot
They [Islamist radicals or, as Hitchens calls them, Islamo-fascists]

Cute, very cute.

Hitchens, whether I agree with him or not, always gives me something to think about. That above bit shows the interviewer just can't resist inserting a little editorial comment.

3 posted on 08/05/2005 12:16:56 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they'll be when you kill them."-Wm. Clayton)
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To: F14 Pilot; Jim Robinson; Travis McGee; JohnHuang2
Sorry Chris, but it will not collapse.

It has become ingrained in the schools, colleges, media and politics. It is deeply imbedded into the government bureaucracy no matter who is elected. This battle is one that will not end in the lifetimes of our grandkids.

The false ideology of the left is one of lies, wrongness and unnaturalness. Everything that comes from this base is corrupted. Its tentacles reach deeply into every walk of life. It dominates the Corporations, see who they donate money to: leftist groups.

The Cult of the Artificial has a vast army, supported by the academics and media. America is being brainwashed by schools and by the media on an hourly basis. The vast majority still get their news from the leftists. Their knowledge of reality from history books in school to major motion pictures has presented a slanted view of everything.

Everything from not believing in free enterprise- they believe in an artificial economy. To families, they believe in an artificial family defined and redefined at their whim.

No Chris, I love ya MAN, but the left is not going to 'collapse' ever. It will have to be killed, it will have to be fought and slaughtered every day and every hour of our lives. Our children's lives if we impart upon them to live in the real world where 2+2 is 4, where water is wet and the fact that there are good guys and bad guys with no moral equivalence.

Never stop fighting.

4 posted on 08/05/2005 12:18:32 AM PDT by GeronL (Leftism is the Cult of the Artificial)
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"people like Michael Moore, who makes a perfectly good brownshirt [fascist]"

Good one

6 posted on 08/05/2005 12:28:37 AM PDT by Panerai
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To: F14 Pilot
They [Islamist radicals or, as Hitchens calls them, Islamo-fascists] gave us no peace and we shouldn’t give them any. We can't live on the same planet as them and I'm glad because I don’t want to. I don’t want to breathe the same air as these psychopaths and murders and rapists and torturers and child abusers. Its them or me. I'm very happy about this because I know it will be them. It’s a duty and a responsibility to defeat them. But it's also a pleasure. I don’t regard it as a grim task at all.

This last paragraph was great.

7 posted on 08/05/2005 12:43:02 AM PDT by SIDENET ("You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred")
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I understand leading psychologists are currently looking for a treatment for BDS. I hope for you they find one soon.

(BDS=Bush Derangement Syndome, i.e. when someone has a deeply emotional hate for Bush, and blame all of humankinds woes on him.)


8 posted on 08/05/2005 12:49:58 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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I hope for you they find one soon.

F14 Pilot, I think that you misunderstood my post. I'm a Bush supporter.

9 posted on 08/05/2005 1:04:07 AM PDT by SIDENET ("You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred")
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#4- I thought I was being insightful and all that but nobody cares, nobody notices me... wwwaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!

LOL... just kidding.

10 posted on 08/05/2005 1:09:05 AM PDT by GeronL (Leftism is the Cult of the Artificial)
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America's leading leftist intellectuals...

Is this species extinct?

11 posted on 08/05/2005 1:09:18 AM PDT by msnimje
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Q - ... In our day, can a politician rule by principle?

A - It depends on what the principle is. If the principle is that all men are equal or created equal, I don’t think its possible to observe that principle in practice. But if the principle is, say, something cruder such as: can we coexist with aggressive internationalist totalitarian ideologies, then I think you not only can but you should act consistently against that. Never mind the principles for one minute, but the lesson of realism is: that if you don’t fight them now you fight them later.

Hitchens says this after earlier having expressed his considered opinion that "the Vietnam war was a war of aggression and atrocity and racism." But the politicians (most of them, anyway) who took us into the Vietnam war were of the sincere belief that they were attempting to block the further expansion of an undeniably "aggressive internationalist totalitarian" ideology, to wit, Communism. I wonder how Hitchens reconciles his adamant opposition, even in retrospect, to the Vietnam war, with his adamant support of the current war against islamo-fasicism? He ought to be feeling a bit of cognitive dissonance, at the very least. Perhaps it's just too difficult for him call into question the grounds for a sigificant portion of his intellectual development.

12 posted on 08/05/2005 1:13:38 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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There is no such species and hasn't been since the word 'liberal' was used to mean more freedom.

BTW, don't you think post #4 was insightful and relevant?? How would you change it? Do you mind being part of a survey?

/kidding

13 posted on 08/05/2005 1:13:39 AM PDT by GeronL (Leftism is the Cult of the Artificial)
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I know... It wasn't about you.

I just quoted a friend of mine today who was talking to bunch of Bush haters


14 posted on 08/05/2005 1:15:40 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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It might've been nice if I'd spelled 'islamo-fascism' correctly in post #12.


15 posted on 08/05/2005 1:26:53 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: F14 Pilot

I'm reading Hitchen's book on Thomas Jefferson right now.


16 posted on 08/05/2005 1:45:15 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (Be a Good Mullah Now ...)
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Is that any good?


17 posted on 08/05/2005 1:46:05 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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Extremely. I was briefly interrupted when a friend insisted I read Kite Runner which was okay for the first half. I'm looking forward to completing the Hitchen's book this weekend.

I have too many books so I "shop" for books at Amazon. Then go to lapl.org (LA Public Library) and check them out online. A little computer calls my home phone when they arrive at my branch.

18 posted on 08/05/2005 1:51:57 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (Be a Good Mullah Now ...)
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A little computer calls my home phone when they arrive at my branch.

Same here!


19 posted on 08/05/2005 2:03:04 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

bump


20 posted on 08/05/2005 2:29:33 AM PDT by Argh
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