NYCLU sues city over subway searches

NYNewsday ^ | August 4, 2005 | Joshua Robin and Dan Janison

[Leatherneck_MT]

There's a simple solution to this that seems to escape the powers that be here.

Turn the mass transit system over to private companies. Get the government out of it altogether.

Then the private companies can search anyone and everyone they desire before getting on their "PRIVATE" transit system.

The ACLU or the NYCLU wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

No Government, not alleged infraction of rights.

At least according to all of the business people around here, this would work. Profiling would then be ok too because it's a private company and not publicly owned.

[Zavien Doombringer]

Hmm I should also be able to have a gun on my own property in NYC, DC, San Fran, etc.

That's why I live in Virginia, a priviledge I do not want to give up :)

[tfecw]

The false sense of security, is it for the government or for the populace?
Good question. I think it's a little of both. NYC gets to do several things with this. The first is it's a cheap way for votes. They get to point at the security measures and say we are doing something.

This also protects them in a few years if/when (god forbid) some other POS terrorist detonates in NYC. The government can use this as a get out of jail free card. Instead of letting the people arm themselves and tossing out all the trash (radicals, illegals, criminals), in what would be career suicide in their liberal bastion, they can say, "We had check points, we were just out smarted."

[Haru Hara Haruko]

Driving isn't a right, it is a priviledge in all states.

What do you mean by priviledge? Are there other privileges, like, say, gun ownership, that the government is empowered by our Constituution to restrict?

[Haru Hara Haruko]

Do you mean to say that my rights are enumerated in the Constitution?

[Haru Hara Haruko]

Then lets get rid of the screening of bags in airports

When we stop allowing young moslem males to fly without extensive checks, we could readily do that. Are you against that happening?

Do you know how ineffective the bag screening was when it was tested? It found approximately ZERO of the weapons that were intentionally concealed, and less than half that were placed in bags with no attempt to conceal them.

[bobsunshine]

The state gave you the privilege of driving on the Public Roads - through a license. It can be taken away from you by the state (i.e. DWI, not paying for tags, etc.).

Gun ownership is protected by the Constitution, but it can be restricted by the State (gun laws, etc.)

I see no problem in searching the bags if you want to use Public transit. And I think we should do more "social" profiling, that is, the Muslim social group of men between the ages of 17 and 34.

I also think we should install more cameras in the Public Areas. This is not a violation of your privacy since they are used in Public (not private) areas.

[Haru Hara Haruko]

IF I pay my taxes and commit no egregious offenses, the state cannot take away my drivers license. Moreover, if I am not operating a vehicle, the state has no power at all to restrict my travel.

Are you saying that rights not enumerated in the Constitution are mere privileges?

[Haru Hara Haruko]

Readily available lasers easily destroy CCD sensors. Put up all the cameras you like.

[Haru Hara Haruko]

Oh, and while your genius legl mind is at work, please explain how "resticted" differs from "infringed."

Or are you one of those people who think there are no unconstitutional and illegitimate laws?

[Zavien Doombringer]

yes they are...Your rights are the ones that the Government is not allowed to touch...

[Zavien Doombringer]

sheeesh, it would be foolish to not know that there are unconstitutional laws and illegitmate laws, but they are laws non the less and must be obeyed until revoked or changed through legislation.

No matter how stupid they are in the present

[Haru Hara Haruko]

but they are laws non the less ...

BZZZT wrong. I'll give it to you in multiple choice.

An unconstitutional law is...

A. ...like any other law.

B. ...permanent until reapealed by legislation.

C. ...no law at all.

For extra credit, who said it, and in what case?

[Haru Hara Haruko]

yes they are...

Really! The Constituion is a very short document. We must not have very many rights. You can point me to the list, eh?

[mudblood]

Why doesn't the aclu sue the airlines for unreasonably searching people's bags?

[Zavien Doombringer]

so, Blue laws didn't exist and were never enforced. yet they are unconstitutional, they were still laws...

[Zavien Doombringer]

The first 10 admendments are you bill of rights...

[Zavien Doombringer]

so, who was it that said, "a moral people do not need a government"?

[Zavien Doombringer]

Really! The Constituion is a very short document. We must not have very many rights. You can point me to the list, eh?

*sniff* *sniff*

[Darksheare]

Say, you sound just like..
Naaaah.
Can't be.