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Eastern Europe: Russian-Polish Tensions Rise Over Attack On Russian Children In Warsaw
Radio Free Europe ^ | Wednesday, 03 August 2005 | Valentinas Mite

Posted on 08/03/2005 3:55:14 PM PDT by lizol

Eastern Europe: Russian-Polish Tensions Rise Over Attack On Russian Children In Warsaw

By Valentinas Mite

Poland's relations with Russia have reached new lows. The formal reason for the exchange of current diplomatic unpleasantness is an attack on teenage children of Russian diplomats in Warsaw on 31 July. Moscow says the attack indicates strong anti-Russian sentiments in the country. Analysts say more serious disagreements are under the surface.

Moscow is condemning in strong words the attack on Russian teenagers in Warsaw, saying anti-Russian sentiments are widespread in Poland.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has called the attack an “unfriendly” act.

"I am asking the Foreign Ministry and the presidential administration to contact Polish colleagues to understand what Polish authorities are doing in order to respond adequately to this unfriendly act which can only be qualified as a crime," Putin said.

Russian news agencies report that the three children of Russian diplomats were attacked in a Warsaw park by 15 youths shouting anti-Russian slogans.

Moscow said the attackers beat the teenagers and wants an official apology from Warsaw. But the Polish government has said it views the incident as a common criminal act.

Boris Makarenko, deputy director of the Center for Political Technologies, a Moscow-based think tank, said there is some ground for a tough Russian stance.

"Eyewitnesses say that the skinheads [the attackers] left the site of the fight on a microbus," Makarenko said. "I don't know many hooligans who are traveling in microbuses."

The report that the microbus was waiting for the attackers to take them away cannot be independently confirmed.

Even leaving such odd circumstances aside, analysts say that anti-Russian feelings are strong and old in Poland, making the beating a “hate crime” of international significance to Moscow.

Makarenko said that much of the anti-Russian feelings in Poland is caused by grievances of the past.

"The Polish envoy to Moscow, when invited to the [Russian] Foreign Ministry, denied those anti-Russian sentiments, but they have existed for more than 200 years," Makarenko said. "It is easy to understand why, and I am not going to defend Russia either for three divisions of Poland [at the end of the 18 century] or many other [unjust things done to Poland]. These anti-Russian sentiments resurfaced in the recent decade and there are many examples of that."

Russian officials said that bad feelings toward Russia are widespread in Poland.

The Polish daily "Gazeta Wyborcza" reports that Gleb Pavlovskii, an adviser to Putin, complained during a recent visit to Warsaw that "Poles talk about Russians the way anti-Semites talk about Jews." Poland's foreign minister, Adam Rotfeld, replied that Russian politicians are "looking for an enemy and…find it in Poland."

Jakub Boratynski, director of international programs at the independent Polish think tank Stefan Batory Foundation, said that Makarenko overlooks the fact that anti-Russian feelings have substantially decreased since Poland joined the EU and NATO, and that Poles feel more safe than before.

On the other hand, he admited that many people in Poland still look suspiciously at Russian foreign-policy moves and are afraid Russia is seeking to "recreate an empire in a different form."

However, both analysts say that the current row is more about politics and the new role Poland is playing in the region than about history.

Makarenko noted that Poland and Russia have recently clashed over the events in Ukraine, and that Poland sometimes criticizes Russia’s stance on human rights or press freedoms.

Boratynski said many Russian politicians are upset with Poland's entry into the EU and NATO. He said the Kremlin perceives Poland's involvement in encouraging democracy in the region as limiting its own influence. The analyst also said the Kremlin is using the attack on the teenagers to show its displeasure over Polish policy in the region as a whole.

"The incident as we look at it in an isolated manner has really created a very strange reaction," Boratynski said. "However, of course, it becomes much more logical if we look into the current context of Polish-Russian relations."

Boratynski said it is not an accident that the reaction comes at the time of tense relations between Russia and Belarus.

"I think the Russians are seizing a very good opportunity to try once gain for the external audience, mostly for the European Union, to show that actually Poland cannot be treated in a serious manner, that it is a country kind of obsessed with anti-Russian phobia," Boratynski said.

Last week, Poland recalled its ambassador to Belarus after weeks of tit-for-tat diplomatic expulsions by both countries. Belarusian President Alyaksandr Lukashenka is accusing Poland of using the Polish minority in Belarus to help push him out of power.

Boratynski said that by portraying Poland as a place obsessed with anti-Russian sentiments, the Kremlin plays into the hands of Lukashenka, who can now more easily reject Warsaw's demands to respect the rights of Polish minority in Belarus.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: easterneurope; poland; russia
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1 posted on 08/03/2005 3:55:14 PM PDT by lizol
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2 posted on 08/03/2005 3:56:07 PM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol

Boratynski said it is not an accident that the reaction comes at the time of tense relations between Russia and Belarus.

"I think the Russians are seizing a very good opportunity to try once gain for the external audience, mostly for the European Union, to show that actually Poland cannot be treated in a serious manner, that it is a country kind of obsessed with anti-Russian phobia," Boratynski said.




Geee - how are the Russians going to get the Nazis to invade Poland again so that the Kremlin can do the same unnoticed?


3 posted on 08/03/2005 4:01:46 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: lizol
Russian officials said that bad feelings toward Russia are widespread in Poland.

No kidding. Russians shouldn't be surprised.

On the other hand, the kids don't deserve to be attacked by street thugs. Poland is correct, that this is a common crime, and should not be made into a political issue. On a human level, though, someone from the Foreign Ministry should already have gone personally to the families to express concern and regret. I would bet that they did so. If they didn't, they should.

4 posted on 08/03/2005 4:03:54 PM PDT by marron
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To: lizol
lizol,

Don't you live close to Warsaw? Would you agree that there is a lot of anti-Russian sentiment in Poland?

Certainly the people that I interacted with in Warsaw were still chafing from personal injustices during the Soviet occupation.
5 posted on 08/03/2005 4:05:18 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: lizol
...strong anti-Russian sentiments in the country.

Geez, I wonder why? Who could hate a good ole Sovi, er, Russian.

6 posted on 08/03/2005 4:07:30 PM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: the_Watchman
I could agree, that there is some (bot certainly not "a lot")of anti-Russian sentiment here, in Poland.

But there is sometinng, that should be stressed. It may sound a bit strange, but this negative sentiment is not towards the Russian people, it's towards Russia, as a state, towards its authorities and policy.

I'm absolutely positive, that there is no basis for anti-Russian agression, leading to acts of violence against the Russians. It's total, TOTAL BS.
7 posted on 08/03/2005 4:13:35 PM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol

Listen Pal,
I have friends from all over the world. I ask each the same question. What do the people of your home think of the local politicians. To a one they all say they are crooks.
I believe that deep down we'd all like to just get a good kick on our politicians and a few many kicks.
It isn't hard to believe that many folks from all over East Europe would like to take a few good kicks on Russian govt. folk.


8 posted on 08/03/2005 4:21:35 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (Li)
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To: lizol; marron

I definitely agree that this issue should not be politicized. The thugs should be punished appropriately and Polish authorities should do their best to prevent such things from happening again. Criticizing Russian leadership is not anti-Russian. However, if it turns out that these thugs really attacked kids because they were Russian, then it should be appropriately condemned. No decent person would beat somebody up simply because of ethnic origin.


9 posted on 08/03/2005 4:23:58 PM PDT by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: lizol

I can't understand how anyone could "not" love the fun-loving Russians, such a great group of criminals.


10 posted on 08/03/2005 4:24:20 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU and all Mosques in the US,UK.)
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To: marron
I agree with you. If the Foreign Ministry and local municipal authorities did not express their regret to the families, and show determination to track down the hooligans, they should.

Perhaps I'm just having a Lukashenko-paranoia day, but I wouldn't be entirely surprised to find out that, when caught, the "hooligans" might have some connection with Belarus. It is Lukashenko is stand to gain the most from Polish-Russian tensions, not Russia.

11 posted on 08/03/2005 4:28:53 PM PDT by Heatseeker ("I sort of like liberals now. They’re kind of cute when they’re shivering and afraid." - Ann Coulter)
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To: Heatseeker

Believe me, you're not the only one who thinks about it. :-)))


12 posted on 08/03/2005 4:35:50 PM PDT by lizol
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To: sergey1973; marron; Heatseeker
Poland condemns attack on children as “banditry, hooliganism”
13 posted on 08/03/2005 4:38:44 PM PDT by lizol
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To: rodguy911

These kids are criminals ? Did they do anything to anyone or conspire to do anything ? Or if somebody is born ethnic/native Russian he's an authomatically qualifies as a criminal according to you ? Just curious to know.


14 posted on 08/03/2005 4:42:57 PM PDT by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: lizol

Like I wrote on that other thread. It's time for a NATO exercise. There needs to be a strong defense on the Eastern border.


15 posted on 08/03/2005 4:47:17 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the"and Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: lizol

I hope that Lukashenko is right - that the Polish minority in Belarus is trying to push him out of power. They would be doing the world a favor.


16 posted on 08/03/2005 4:48:17 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: sergey1973
No Sergey, the kids are not criminals. But a lot of people in Eastern Europe have not forgotten the pillaging of their lands by the Soviets. And Putin is not helping any with his drive to another dictatorship. the kids should not be targeted, though. However, I agree with others here that it is very possible that Lukashenko's fingerprints are all over this.
17 posted on 08/03/2005 4:58:40 PM PDT by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
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To: sergey1973

"Or if somebody is born ethnic/native Russian he's an authomatically qualifies as a criminal according to you ?"

Not too far from the truth.

Russia's imperialism and genocide is unprecedented and the average Russian denies to this day culpability and each and every surviving Russian has benefited from the ill gotten gains. (Granted, some rightous Russians did perish)

And please, no crying about the "Russians" that perished beating Hitler. It was Poland and Ukraine that lost the tens of millions - not Muscovy.


18 posted on 08/03/2005 5:02:05 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: rodguy911; sergey1973
I have to agree with Sergey on this one - whatever failings we may attribute to Putin's government, or even to the Russian/Soviet governments of years past, there's no excuse to take it out on the kids.
19 posted on 08/03/2005 5:03:06 PM PDT by Heatseeker ("I sort of like liberals now. They’re kind of cute when they’re shivering and afraid." - Ann Coulter)
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To: lizol

I bet nobody has Russia invading Poland on the "when will the war really start" pool.


20 posted on 08/03/2005 5:09:45 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Google search CFR North American Community.)
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