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1 posted on 07/28/2005 12:16:30 AM PDT by TheOtherOne
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I admit I am curious and would like to read the book.


2 posted on 07/28/2005 12:18:10 AM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed™)
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To: TheOtherOne

A goobermint-incompetents-circle-the-wagons BUMP!


3 posted on 07/28/2005 12:19:44 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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John Kerry's probably purchased the first shipment for his likely-to-be short-lived candidacy in '08:

"See! Tora Bora! I told you people back in 2004...."

4 posted on 07/28/2005 12:21:40 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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"Gary Berntsen recounts the attacks he coordinated at the peak of the fighting in eastern Afghanistan in late 2001, including how U.S. commanders knew bin Laden was in the rugged mountains near the Pakistani border and the al-Qaida leader's much-discussed getaway."

Can Berntsen even prove that bin Laden is alive? If not, his book is useless.

6 posted on 07/28/2005 12:26:29 AM PDT by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" -Pope Ubran II, 1097AD)
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To: TheOtherOne
He said he felt compelled to write his story. But he also acknowledges he retired two years early because he ruffled senior management feathers.

There are other people who are still working and who's lives may be in danger given certain information.

10 posted on 07/28/2005 12:31:59 AM PDT by kipita (Rebel – the proletariat response to Aristocracy and Exploitation.)
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To: Fedora; Shermy; Wendy44; cyncooper; Howlin; okie01

Here we go again... VIPS?


14 posted on 07/28/2005 12:46:35 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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Imagine that, he got frustrated with the government and retired early. I've got 5 years to go and going crazier every day.


19 posted on 07/28/2005 12:53:26 AM PDT by conshack ((Our porous southern border WILL result in another terrorist attack))
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To: TheOtherOne

Document: Bin Laden Evaded U.S. Forces
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1368407/posts

Some related info...


20 posted on 07/28/2005 12:55:16 AM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy"...I mean, JOHN ROBERTS now fills this space!)
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To: TheOtherOne
A Republican and avid Bush supporter, Berntsen

That's along the same lines as what they said about Richard Clarke, Joe Wilson, Greg Thielman, Mike Scheur, even Wesley Clark - and so on...

21 posted on 07/28/2005 1:04:57 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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?....How many languages is his book to be being published in when 'released'....???

/OFF.....James 'Jesus' Angleton's rolling over again, again, and again?

/sarcasm

24 posted on 07/28/2005 3:12:56 AM PDT by maestro
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To: TheOtherOne

Too many "Former CIA Agent" books out there already. No one can get half the truth out of any of these books because they're so jazzed up with "literary flair" as Wilson likes to put it.


25 posted on 07/28/2005 4:24:01 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: TheOtherOne

Does Gary have a blonde wife who might have been an "ambassador" at some point in the past?

History does have a way of repeating itself, eh?


26 posted on 07/28/2005 4:32:22 AM PDT by Mad Mammoth (Some folks just need killin' = Clint Eastwood as 'The Outlaw Josey Wales'...)
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To: TheOtherOne

It seems that Porter Goss was assigned the thankless task of trying to turn a writer's guild into an intelligence operation. If George Tenet isn't collecting (literary) agent's fees, he's getting screwed.


27 posted on 07/28/2005 4:38:17 AM PDT by niteowl77
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To: TheOtherOne

Personally, I doubt that Osama was ever at Tora Bora during the American invasion.


29 posted on 07/28/2005 4:44:53 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: TheOtherOne

Seems to me that Berntsen is on the up-and-up. He doesn't appear to be a VIPS fright-wig.


31 posted on 07/28/2005 7:17:01 AM PDT by popdonnelly
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Interesting in that another former CIA guy who went back to Afghanistan after 9/11 just published a book along these lines. Saw him interviewed by Russert. It was funny how sure he was the OBL was at Tora Bora because his next video showed him holding his arm. Thus the author concluded he had been injured at Tora Bora. He repeatedly said he was "sure" OBL was there.

It sounded just like all the basic mistakes that led to the intelligence failures on Iraq WMD. Take a morsel of information, make an assumption about it, and then adopt it as gospel.

33 posted on 07/28/2005 7:43:52 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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Seems to me this guy could be on the up and up...

A close reading of the article suggests he simply "commanded" the "CIA response team" at Tora Bora, apparently five people who were on a mission in Afghanistan in addition to the Army and Marines. I'd expect some covert operators in there, all things considered, although I wouldn't expect the "leader" to being saying anything about it at this point...

It might be considered a point in his favor if he ruffled some higher-up feathers though...those are the "civilian political appointees" aren't they?! And even if the "big-wigs" have to be confirmed by the Senate, how much does anyone really know about some of these "career" types whose ideology was set long ago?

35 posted on 07/28/2005 8:03:14 AM PDT by 88keys
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To: TheOtherOne

Good. During wartime, the CIA should severely limit what kind of information gets in the public domain. Whether through a book or an op/ed in the NY Times.


36 posted on 07/28/2005 8:06:51 AM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: TheOtherOne; Gengis Khan; CarrotAndStick; ARridgerunner

>>Berntsen, the recipient of two of the CIA's three highest medals, one for preventing Islamic extremists from assassinating the Indian prime minister in 1996.

Wow. Who was that. Where. There's a story.

Too bad the USG is censoring this book. The above anecdote is exactly what the world needs; success stories in the GSAVE.

Ditto for the FBI agent, Edwards, whose book is also on the Index.

This book would help fill in the blanks about the whole ToraBora Campaign; another account, Christopher Smucker's "Al Qaeda's Great Escape", is a decent accout, albeit from a peripheral location, outside looking in, with Afghanis with their intrigues and insights, and it - does a good job of pointing out some of the perplexities and contradicitions of ToraBora.

Using locals instead of a US force, relying on airpower, policy based on info that didn't corroborate with on the ground facts, Osama's escape (or death?), the role of Pakistan - (there's a whole book there).

Now that the War has become a struggle, why is the USG so intent on keeping this guy's account quiet.


39 posted on 07/28/2005 8:46:55 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: TheOtherOne

You mean all those MOABs and Daisy Cutters were for naught? Damn! They sure were cool.


47 posted on 08/02/2005 1:52:49 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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