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N.Y. Diabetes-Tracking Plan Draws Concern
AP/Yahoo News ^ | July 25, 2005 | DAVID B. CARUSO

Posted on 07/25/2005 5:01:46 PM PDT by QQQQQ

NEW YORK - At least half a million New Yorkers have diabetes, many of them at risk for blindness, kidney failure, amputations and heart problems because they are doing a poor job of controlling their illness. The question is, how much privacy are they willing to give up for a chance at better health?

A century after New York became the first American city to track people with infectious diseases as a way to halt epidemics, officials here propose a similar system to monitor people with diabetes, a non-contagious foe.

Conceived after a sharp rise in diabetes deaths over the past 20 years, the plan would require medical labs to report to the city the results of a certain type of test that indicates how well individual patients are controlling their diabetes.

"There will be some people who will say, 'What business of the government is it to know that my diabetes is not in control?'" said Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the city's health commissioner.

The answer, he said, is that diabetes costs an estimated $5 billion a year to treat in New York and was the fourth leading cause of death in the city in 2003, killing 1,891.

By pinpointing problem patients, then intervening ever so slightly in their care, Frieden said the city can improve thousands of lives. "I don't think we can afford not to do anything," he said.

The Board of Health vote on the proposal isn't likely until at least September, but it has already attracted attention from other public health experts and privacy advocates.

The list of illnesses reported to public health authorities has grown over the years, but it still is almost entirely contagious diseases, like HIV, or conditions related to environmental toxins, like lead poisoning.

Diabetes is different, threatening no one but the people who have it.

"This isn't smallpox," said James Pyles, an attorney who represents health care groups concerned with medical privacy. "The state, or the city in this case, does not have a compelling interest in the health of an individual that overrides that individual's right to privacy."

Pyles praised the intent of the program, but said unless diabetics are asked for their consent, it would be "an outright violation of the constitutional right to privacy" for the government to obtain their identities.

The city's program wouldn't initially get consent to collect data, but would allow patients to opt out later. The database would also be tightly controlled, off limits to anyone but department staff, the patients and their doctors, health officials say.

Over time, doctors could receive letters, telling them whether their patients have been getting adequate care. People who skip checkups might get a note from their doctors, reminding them of the dangers of untreated diabetes.

The plan is akin to the surveillance system put in place in 1897 to fight tuberculosis. At first, doctors were outraged they had to report TB cases to the government, but it became a model after deaths plummeted.

The American Diabetes Association supports New York's plan. It could be a great tool for doctors who find it difficult to track patients over long periods, said the ADA's Dr. Nathaniel Clark.

Currently, he said, people who aren't aggressive about their care can easily fall through the cracks. Some switch health care providers, and many people living in poor neighborhoods where diabetes is common don't have a regular doctor.

Dr. Paul Simon of Los Angeles County's public health department, said other big cities could follow New York's lead.

"Some people are uncomfortable with public health departments expanding their scope beyond infectious disease, but I would say we have to do it," he said. "Chronic disease really accounts for the major portion of years of life lost to illness, these days."

New York's program would involve collecting the results of A1c tests, which indicate blood glucose control over a few months, unlike the daily glucose tests diabetics give themselves. The A1c test is given for both Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes, the latter linked to obesity and accounting for about 90 percent of American diabetics. The program would cost between $1 million and $2 million a year, the health department said.

Dr. Amy Fairchild, an expert on public health ethics at Columbia University, said disease monitoring programs have historically been able to overcome privacy worries if the health threat is sufficiently frightening.

"We respond with surveillance when we believe something has reached epidemic proportions," Fairchild said. "And this may fit the profile. Have we become a nation of obese people who are all going to get diabetes?"

The program's success, she said, may depend partly on how patients respond. "It's not necessarily that someone has that information. It's that they're pestering you. 'The next thing I know, you'll be telling me what I can and can't eat,'" she said.

Nationally, diabetes is the sixth leading cause of death, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It afflicts about 18.2 million Americans.

Sandye Poitier-Johnson, 57, a public school principal in Harlem who was diagnosed with diabetes a few years ago, said most people could use help monitoring their condition.

"People say, diabetes is serious, but they don't take it seriously," she said. "I wouldn't think that this was Big Brother or Big Sister watching me. I would welcome the help."

She urged the city, though, to get patient consent first. "There is enough privacy invasion already in our society," she said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; diabetes; governmentintrusion; health; mealth; medicine; privacy
"The question is, how much privacy are they willing to give up for a chance at better health? "

How is the government monitoring you result in "better health", unless the government will also FORCE people to take their medication, get the "required exercise", force them to eat the "recommended foods", or ELSE, which could mean denial of medical care.

The article even states that the government would indeed intervene:

"By pinpointing problem patients, then intervening ever so slightly in their care, Frieden said the city can improve thousands of lives. "I don't think we can afford not to do anything," he said."

This is such an outrage of government intrusion into people's private lives, that if they let this go through our privacy is totally gone.

1 posted on 07/25/2005 5:01:50 PM PDT by QQQQQ
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To: QQQQQ

"Dr. Paul Simon of Los Angeles County's public health department, said other big cities could follow New York's lead. "

Government control over every aspect of our lives, "for our own good" is not "just around the corner", it's HERE.

People worry about "loss of privacy" when the government can check up on what people do in public, and there is not outcry, when the government quietly does things to REALLY intrude into our lives and CONTROL it.

Where is the outrage?


2 posted on 07/25/2005 5:04:03 PM PDT by QQQQQ
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To: QQQQQ

Any connection?
3 posted on 07/25/2005 5:04:48 PM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: QQQQQ

How good a job has NYC done at tracking the spread of AIDS?

Decades ago they used to anonymously inform people who may be infected with an STD that one or more partners had contracted something.

HIV/AIDS was always considered "different".

It continues to spread among homosexuals and it is NOT because of a lack of funding or advertising.


4 posted on 07/25/2005 5:05:35 PM PDT by weegee (If HATE is not a family value, then CHILD ABUSE (i.e. abortion) is not a choice.)
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To: QQQQQ

My father had diabetes, and lived in NYC too. He was nearly perfect in his compliance with medical advice and he still lost the lower part of one leg due to his disease. I really don't think the secondary effects of diabetes can be entirely blamed on poor health management by the sufferers.

I hate these nanny-state utopians with their joyless conviction that they can create a heaven in this fallen world in which we live.


5 posted on 07/25/2005 5:06:47 PM PDT by jocon307 (Can we close the border NOW?)
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To: weegee

HIV is a "PC" disease, i.e. it's NOT politically correct to do anything about it.

But who cares about a bunch of people with diabetes? Notice that they don't say anything about how much AIDS is costing healthcare, and that is the most easily preventable disease in existence.


6 posted on 07/25/2005 5:08:47 PM PDT by QQQQQ
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To: jocon307

But it gives the government an excuse to start controlling our lives. This is a trial balloon. If people allow this to happen, they will monitor everyone's health and intervene "for our own good".


7 posted on 07/25/2005 5:10:29 PM PDT by QQQQQ
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To: QQQQQ

I'm sure that having more democrats working in the public sector is another aspect of this as well.

There is no private enterprise in the socialist utopia.


8 posted on 07/25/2005 5:18:36 PM PDT by weegee (If HATE is not a family value, then CHILD ABUSE (i.e. abortion) is not a choice.)
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To: QQQQQ

Outrageous!
I see we are a step closer to HillaryCare.
Next will be toilets that collect your "product"
and analyze it for unsanctioned chemicals. Alarms
will go off if prohibited waste is detected.
Citizens will be promptly detained for their own
good and sent to "Eater's Education classes".
It's just a matter of time.


9 posted on 07/25/2005 5:22:14 PM PDT by Sabatier
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To: QQQQQ

My cousin, who is an epidemiologist for the state of Massachusettes, came out to visit this weekend. She left behind some public health journals that she brought along to read while travelling. I was looking through some of them. Apparently, everyone who works in the public health sector is a flaming liberal!
P.S. John F. Kerry is giving a speech at the opening general session of the American Public Health Association's Annual Meeting & Exposition in New Orleans this November.


10 posted on 07/25/2005 5:30:22 PM PDT by toothfairy86
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To: QQQQQ
The so called privacy act, and the accompanying Hippa documents that get flashed before us when we interact with Doctors, clinics and nurses, does the exact opposite of protecting privacy. It actually permits gov't interventions like the one you mention in NY.

We can disagree as to whether or not their is a right to privacy in the constitution, but perhaps some will agree that it is outside the scope of the power of the US government (IE, not mentioned in the constitution) to do such things, without the permission of the individual.
11 posted on 07/25/2005 5:33:34 PM PDT by HonestConservative (Bless our Servicemen!)
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To: QQQQQ
The fact that I take Glucovance is none of their f****** business, and the first Marxist overseer that dares to intervene and impose themselves upon my home and individual sovereignty will need more than a few pills to cure what'll ail 'em.

This country is in the toilet, and Leftists have a death grip on the flush handle.


12 posted on 07/25/2005 5:38:10 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: Viking2002

"...and the first Marxist overseer that dares to intervene and impose themselves upon my home and individual sovereignty will need more than a few pills to cure what'll ail 'em."

Ditto.

"Why yes, I do eat plenty proteins: Medling gov't agents. Tastes like chicken."


13 posted on 07/25/2005 6:21:25 PM PDT by Titan Magroyne (Wet Burqa Contest Winner)
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To: toothfairy86
Apparently, everyone who works in the public health sector is a flaming liberal!

Making everything a public health issue is good job security. If you really want to be outraged, take a look at "P.C. M.D" by Sally Satel.

14 posted on 07/25/2005 6:39:16 PM PDT by Huntress (Possession really is nine tenths of the law.)
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To: Titan Magroyne
Sorry. I refuse to eat tainted meat.


15 posted on 07/25/2005 6:44:06 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: Viking2002

Worms gotta eat too, huh? ;o)


16 posted on 07/25/2005 7:24:29 PM PDT by Titan Magroyne (Wet Burqa Contest Winner)
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To: QQQQQ
NYC, Boston, Washington D.C., are all going to start (or planning to) checking people at "random" on the subways/mass transit systems, now NY wants to start monitoring peoples' health (and legislators in California have mentioned similar ideas, although not as far-reaching). Some of the areas mentioned above have talking about going after snack foods, and they have all gone after smokers.

Funny how they all are made up of large numbers of liberals.
17 posted on 07/26/2005 7:06:16 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Titan Magroyne; Viking2002
This has already started in an indirect form. My drug coverage/insurance carrier sends letters to my doctors telling him, that what he is prescribing is not quite correct and that he should be trying Brand X (read cheaper). This happens to him for each patient that he sees who has a large drug plan. This forces him to spend his valuable time and resources looking at this garbage instead of talking with patience.

Insurance companies have worked for a while to displace the doctor and insert themselves into your care and the lefties are doing the same thing to insert themselves into the process and start cashing in! That's what its about; money and power as usual.

Next thing you know President Wildebeast and Chuckie Schumer will be deciding what you should have for lunch, dinner, which drugs are good for you and which are not.

Oh, forgive me, this is already happening with the advent of a Medicare Rx plan.

Its time for the Revolution!
18 posted on 07/26/2005 10:48:27 AM PDT by HonestConservative (Bless our Servicemen!)
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