It Didn’t Start With bin Laden

family.org ^ | 2001 | Chris Jeub

[CORedneck]

We need another General Black Pershing ! Time to dip our bombs and bullets in pig blood and use them on these terrorists and deny them their so-called 72 virgins.

[SJackson]

If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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[American in Israel]

Just like today, the terrorism is set in a framework of religion, but grows fat from booty. My guess is if we removed the financial incentives to terrorism, we would have much greater results than our attempts to convince bloodthirsty pirates that theirs is a religion of peace.

Why are we giving Palestinian Terrorists money?

[nsmart]

Interesting. Thanks for posting.

[fml]

I must have missed something - why do you mention Falwell here?

Same here.

[sheltonmac]

Jefferson's challenge resembles President Bush's modern-day dilemma. Like today's terrorists, the 19th-century pirates also were Muslims with an animosity toward Christians dating back to the Crusades.

This lie has been used over and over by the pseudocons to justify their war in Iraq. Jefferson never used the Barbary pirates as an excuse to topple foreign governments, to engage in nation-building or to spread democracy across the globe. Upon congressional authorization, he took specific action against a specific enemy for a specific purpose, that being the defense of the United States.

[abu afak]

Quite welcome to yopu and others.

Ignore the last response of a neocon conspiracist before this one

[abu afak]

"""..Well dang -- I'll be.
I remember reading the biography of Stephen Decatur as a kid, and his adventures defeating the pirates.

I don't recall them mentioning that this was a religious war, with the Christian Americans fighting the Islamic Terrorists who thought they could go to heaven by killing Christians, and with the Americans having to save the European backsides.

Somethings never change. And somethings never seem to get reported honestly."""""


The World and History has become So PC- we look to bleach rather than enlighten and see common threads.

[TheOtherOne]

"It may seem like the terrorist war against the United States is only a few weeks old,"

I just don't get this sentence. Who thinks terrorism against the US is only weeks old?

[TheOtherOne]

Nevermind

This article will appear in the November 2001 issue of Citizen magazine.

[bigsigh]

raiding ships to take booty, does not constitute hatred of a nation.

[colorado tanker]

Jefferson was so bad. He got America into a quagmire in North Africa and then declared the mission accomplished. Why didn't we just "negotiate" and pay tribute like the Europeans???

[EdReform]

Ping

[elbucko]

....raiding ships to take booty, does not constitute hatred of a nation.

Perhaps. But to claim that the person you robbed or killed deserved to be robbed or killed by reason of not being Muslim is, in modern parlance, a "Hate Crime".

[bigsigh]

with some historical context and common sense, ships were pirated all around the world during that era. As the famous bank robber said "because that's where the money is."

To try to equate this with modern terrorism and lay it on the Christian-Moslem hostilities seems convoluted at best.

[elbucko]

To try to equate this with modern terrorism and lay it on the Christian-Moslem hostilities seems convoluted at best.

I see that like a lot of Islamic apologists that have raised their rag strewn heads on these boards that you too believe in a digital view of history, rather than analog. Islam was born with the intent of eliminating all other religions, sooner or later.

[bigsigh]

I know so then they all became pirates. Get your head out of it and smell the coffee.

[elbucko]

I know so then they all became pirates.

No, Buccaneers. And it's obvious that you wouldn't qualify, because you don't seem to have much between your "buccanears".

[ValenB4]

I wouldn't exactly call them a threat to America. More like an annoyance. They weren't about to sail up the Delaware River and sack Philadelphia.

[sheltonmac]

They weren't about to sail up the Delaware River and sack Philadelphia.

Had the modern neocons existed back then, I'm sure they would have tried to frighten people with just such a possibility:

"Knowing these realities, America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof--the smoking gun--that could come in the form of a pirate galley sailing up the Delaware."

"Either you are with us, or you are with the pirates."