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'Nazi' row over Indian textbooks
BBC ^ | 7/23/2005 | BBC

Posted on 07/23/2005 10:03:27 PM PDT by minus_273

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To: strider123
Well, he was a freedom fighter with some messed up ideas. He was trying to create an India that was a socialist authotitarian state. Although he ultimately became disillusioned with Hitler, his cozying up to him is hardy a credit to Bose. He also spent time with the Soviets, and other unwholesome types.

On another note, I heard his radio is great.

21 posted on 07/24/2005 12:54:17 AM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus

I agree with your overall point, but there were people deliberately starved by Britain. Not as many as Stalin, or there own people, but...


22 posted on 07/24/2005 12:58:14 AM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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I haven't seen any deliberate famines recorded that were ordered by the British government. I have indeed seen where actions of the Brits in times long ago exacerbated an existing or developing famine - yes, and in Ireland and India too. But never one ORDERED to begin by a government of the UK. Stalin's Ukrainian famine was created whole cloth to kill. The famines of the British Empire were just the result of bad decisions or stupid actions that were not changed because of a secondary reason - they were not lengthened specifically to kill people as Stalin did.
23 posted on 07/24/2005 1:05:48 AM PDT by Republicanus_Tyrannus
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To: strider123

Of course, India played footsie with the soviets throughout
the cold war.

Hitler may well have done some good things for Germany.
His mistake, of course, was starting a war which he couldn't
win.


24 posted on 07/24/2005 1:07:16 AM PDT by RWCon
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To: minus_273

The volunteers for the British Army vastly outnumbered those for the INA. Their service was extremely brave and very much appreciated. This textbook is spitting on their sacrifice.

Regards, Ivan


25 posted on 07/24/2005 1:08:44 AM PDT by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: PAR35
There were over a 100,000 Ghurkas

Gorkhas are Nepalese not indians
26 posted on 07/24/2005 7:15:12 AM PDT by minus_273
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus

watch this thread devolve into a neo nazi hate fest. The last one about indians supporting the nazis had to be locked because of became a a woship thread for Subhas Chandra Bose who was is a indicted war criminal (and the indians hate this)


27 posted on 07/24/2005 7:18:27 AM PDT by minus_273
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To: strider123
Most Indians of that period (pre-independence) , were illiterate and fighting hunger. Not because of Nazis.

I dont think much has changed lately and there are still slaves in India. That does not compare to the Nazis though.
28 posted on 07/24/2005 7:21:18 AM PDT by minus_273
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus
Did he have a uniform? No?

no they did have uniforms. The Nazis led the indian national army and the indian government in exile.
29 posted on 07/24/2005 7:23:16 AM PDT by minus_273
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oh, its far worse that that. This is the previous thread that had to be locked becasue of the arrival of neo nazis to FR.

Hitlers secret indian army
here is a picture of their hero in EUROPE WITH NAZIS and SMILING

A ton more on this post.
30 posted on 07/24/2005 7:36:31 AM PDT by minus_273
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To: minus_273

i smell a paki here.......
we indians have nothing to be ashamed about Subash chandra bose.the british were our overlords who bankrupted the country.our share of world trade dropped from 24 % to less than 1% and untold millions died in famines.even under the muslim rule we didnt strave to death as we did under the british.

dont believe the british propaganda hype i say.


31 posted on 07/24/2005 12:43:31 PM PDT by asoka
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To: strider123

Gee, its too bad the Japs didn't conquer India. Then the Indians could learn what a soft touch the Brits were...


32 posted on 07/24/2005 12:48:12 PM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: minus_273

Ya know, Hitler was an evil b@stard, but the Nazis did accomplish some stuff - getting out from under the Versailles Treaty, restoring their economy (somewhat), the Volkswagon, autobahns, to name a few.
Just 'cause they're evil, doesn't mean they're incompetent or unproductive.
Unfortunately.


33 posted on 07/24/2005 12:51:21 PM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: minus_273
Gorkhas are Nepalese not indians

Correct. I was thinking it was part of India under British rule, but it was not. It was a separate client state under British influence, but separately governed and at least nominally independent.

Indian troops did, however, fight in Burma and North Africa and Italy.

34 posted on 07/24/2005 12:56:48 PM PDT by PAR35
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yeah indians fought on both sides in North africa, Europe and South East Asia. Indian troops earned a really bad reputation in France for adopting a scortched earth policy and rapes when they retreated from the allied advance.


35 posted on 07/24/2005 4:23:11 PM PDT by minus_273
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indians fought on both sides

But the government was solidly on the allied side, which brings us back to the comment which started the exchange, to the effect that the "country" was on the axis side.

36 posted on 07/24/2005 7:29:02 PM PDT by PAR35
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the indian government in exile (frei Hind) was axis and indians fought for the exile govenment( Do you dispute this) The leader of the exile govenment that worked with Hitler is thought of as a hero today(do you dispute this). This leader had socialist/authorotarian views of govenment (do yo dispute this? ). Thats all i am saying. Let me know what points you disagree on and we can continue this discussion. It is entirely possible we agree on everything.


37 posted on 07/24/2005 7:50:38 PM PDT by minus_273
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the indian government in exile (frei Hind) was axis and indians fought for the exile govenment( Do you dispute this)

Yes, I'll dispute that there was a 'government in exile'. I won't dispute that there were malcontents who saw a path to power through the Axis. Even Britain had Oswald Moseley, or more directly on point, Unity Mitford. But you can't call Unity Mitford a British government in exile.

The fact that those malcontents are now held in high regard by some (or many) is no surprise. But it doesn't change what they were, and were not, at the time.

And to save some discussion down the road, I would consider the Dutch and Polish governments in exile to be legitimate, while DeGaulle's legitimacy, while expedient, was questionable.

38 posted on 07/24/2005 8:23:52 PM PDT by PAR35
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"Yes, I'll dispute that there was a 'government in exile'. I won't dispute that there were malcontents who saw a path to power through the Axis. Even Britain had Oswald Moseley, or more directly on point, Unity Mitford. But you can't call Unity Mitford a British government in exile."


Ok, so our argument boils down to whether Bose and his troops were a government. They considerded themselves a govenment, issued stamps and stuff like one does. They also had a military consisting of Indian soldiers. They did not hold indian soil (that i know of)and thus the idea that they are a govenment in exile.

Considering this, can it not be argued that at the very least it was a civil war of sorts with two govenments both claiming to be the ligitimate government feilding troops against each other.
Also, I believe, Degaulle was based in the French province of Algeria which the germans didnt take over.
39 posted on 07/24/2005 8:57:59 PM PDT by minus_273
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Also, I believe, Degaulle was based in the French province of Algeria which the germans didnt take over.

No, DeGaulle fought in Northern France (he led one of the few temporarily successful counterattacks against the German invasion.) He flew to London June 18, 1940, and his government in exile was there. French North Africa was Vichy until Operation Torch. The commanders there were Darlan and Giraud. Despite his resistance, I think it was Darlan who was slated to head up the government, but he was assassinated.

can it not be argued that at the very least it was a civil war of sorts

The facts described would not fall within my definition of a civil war.

40 posted on 07/24/2005 9:26:13 PM PDT by PAR35
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