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To: .cnI redruM
I still think the academy is lost. I see no way to expose it to true competition, due to the presence of so much government money that virtually eliminates cost competition.

People want to blame tenure. That's dumb. I can do without tenure, but that isn't what's causing the drift. As Richard Vetter shows in "Going Broke by Degree," the problem is that 60% or MORE of college students now are on some sort of "aid" which is really just redistribution of the entire pool of money. So students pay (in reality) $17,000, get "rebates" or aid of $7-10,000, and think they are getting a deal, when in reality the education only COSTS $7,000, and if you got rid of all the administrative departments that are engaged in a) recruitment and b) redistribution, you'd HAVE a college ed. for $7,000-10,000, i.e., one that is affordable to almost any students.

3 posted on 07/18/2005 5:37:52 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: LS

and if you got rid of all the administrative departments that are engaged in a) recruitment and b) redistribution,

Don't forget the cost of diversification. Diversification is the goal of every college president, not excellence!


6 posted on 07/18/2005 5:47:38 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: LS
Aid is such a misnomer. I have a friend who just got done w/ Med. School and owes $300K. He's paying over $20K/year just to tread water.

He'd better be the next Charles Emerson Winchester. The aid problem may solve itself, as more and more talented people decide the benefits of a college degree in no way justify the cost.
7 posted on 07/18/2005 5:48:09 AM PDT by .cnI redruM ("Something must be done, even if it doesn't work," Bob Geldof)
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To: LS
you'd HAVE a college ed. for $7,000-10,000, i.e., one that is affordable to almost any students.

I went to a private college that currently charges $36,000 for tuition, room and board. This is a college that produces more future PhDs per capita than all but two other colleges in the country. In my humble opinion, the expense is worth it because of the extraordinary opportunity for learning that exists at a college with a traditional great-books curriculum and a serious, intellectual culture. And it happens that at least half the students at this college have financial aid, often lots of it (I certainly did in my day).

However -- you can get a decent education for < $4,000 a year (tuition) where I hold tenure as an associate professor of math, a regional campus of a well-known public university. You're on your own to seek out the degree programs with real content and substance (we offer plenty of content-free fluff degrees such as the dreaded "bachelors in general studies" that hundreds of our students opt for). But we do have quality programs taught by professors who love learning and teaching.

15 posted on 07/18/2005 6:03:37 AM PDT by megatherium
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