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Not Getting It. The Left suddenly thinks it’s the minority on campus.
NRO ^ | July 18, 2005, 8:12 a.m. | By Jason Mattera

Posted on 07/18/2005 5:33:24 AM PDT by .cnI redruM

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To: LS
Your $36,000, while at a premium school, would have been perhaps one-third that without aid being available to all.

Can't say it would be only one-third, but undoubtedly you're right, it would be substantially lower: the well-off families who can pay full price subsidize the poorer families through financial aid. I recall the average student on financial aid has about half of their bill covered by their aid. Seventy-five percent of the budget of my ala mater comes from tuition. That's another reason for the higher fees there: no direct state subsidy. This college, like most elite schools, makes an effort to ensure that money is not a barrier to attending the school, which is a large part of the reason for their high-tuition, high-financial aid set-up.

Another factor at work: I recall reading a few years ago of a Justice Department investigation into the tuition of elite colleges. Apparently, they were all setting their tuition to be the same. Possibly a case of collusion, but also people have the attitude that if it doesn't cost top-dollar, it can't be a top-drawer education. Colleges apparently were quick to use this to their advantage. (My ala mater has spent quite a bit of money on a building campaign, in part because their market research indicated that their standing in the market for highly selective colleges was in danger of eroding because their facilities needed upgrading.)

41 posted on 07/18/2005 7:38:07 AM PDT by megatherium
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To: Khepera
Try this.
42 posted on 07/18/2005 8:09:18 AM PDT by bassmaner (Let's take the word "liberal" back from the commies!!)
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To: LS

Thanks for the info.


43 posted on 07/18/2005 8:12:59 AM PDT by Thombo2
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To: megatherium

Your latter reason is really the one they all give as to why they don't want to lower tuitions: it's a status thing, that if you tell a kid he's going to a school that "costs" $30,000, then "rebate" him $20,000 through aid, he's going to say, "Wow. I'm going to a top-notch school," as opposed to the school that charges him the (honest) amount of $10,000 at the outset, without aid. Same thing as in the jewelry stores that have "sales" . . . every week.


44 posted on 07/18/2005 8:14:57 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: .cnI redruM
In my experience the weirdest aspect of the whole faculty-bias problem is the lengths to which many of my colleagues go to deny it. I think that a sort of groupthink mentality takes hold. If you hear your colleagues constantly reinforcing your views, you for natural cognitive reasons overestimate how widely held they are in the population at large. I have some documentation of and speculation on the reasons for the leftist domination of academia below.

Why Does the Academy Tilt Left?

45 posted on 07/18/2005 9:01:02 AM PDT by untenured (http://futureuncertain.blogspot.com)
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You write an excellent blog. I guess, using an economic explanation, the demand for an exemption from the real world is way higher over on the left.
46 posted on 07/18/2005 9:15:07 AM PDT by .cnI redruM ("Something must be done, even if it doesn't work," Bob Geldof)
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"At universities, conservatives are no stranger to being called "Nazis." Thomas Frank decided to keep that spirit alive. According to him, “They [Republicans] didn’t have any problem with Hitler, other than the fact that they thought he rocked.”

Most conservatives are well enough educated to know that Hitler was a poster boy for Leftism:

1. Anti-Religion
2. Rabid anti-Christian
3. Anti-smoking
4. Pro-health and exercise for the good of the state.
5. SOCIALIST
6. Anti private business
7. Anti personal profit
8. Crusher of civil liberties
9. Pro-abortion
10. Pro-euthanasia for the good of the state

Does that sound more like today's Republican or the Howard Dean/ Hillary Clinton arm of the Democrat party?
47 posted on 07/18/2005 9:20:11 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Howard would take pride in that political platform.
48 posted on 07/18/2005 9:22:26 AM PDT by .cnI redruM ("Something must be done, even if it doesn't work," Bob Geldof)
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As a counterpoint, what should conservatives now do to take advantage of this situation?

I can think of at least two options:

  1. snicker
  2. laugh openly

49 posted on 07/18/2005 9:30:35 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: LS
eliminating most student aid

To their credit, elite colleges (the Ivy League and many others) do make sure that anyone who is academically deserving to attend are able to attend. I would hate to think that an academically deserving student were not able to go to such a college. So I would hope there were still scholarships based on academic merit if financial aid were somehow done away with.

50 posted on 07/18/2005 10:14:30 AM PDT by megatherium
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To: megatherium

Well, that doesn't seem to be the direction they are following, since many schools this week (UC? Ivy League?) said they were no longer using National Merit Scholarships to determine admissions (translation: too many whites and Asians getting in).


51 posted on 07/18/2005 10:49:05 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: .cnI redruM
Another panelist, Thomas Frank, the author of What’s the Matter with Kansas?, said progressive values are “freedom plus groceries.”

"Freiheit und Brot".

The slogan's been used before.

52 posted on 07/18/2005 10:51:28 AM PDT by Campion (Truth is not determined by a majority vote -- Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: .cnI redruM
"Aid is such a misnomer. I have a friend who just got done w/ Med. School and owes $300K. He's paying over $20K/year just to tread water."

If you invested $300K at the age of 18 in a safe conservative mutual fund, you'd be able to retire comfortably by age 35.

53 posted on 07/18/2005 11:29:19 AM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: Desron13
Maybe not until 45, but your point is well taken. He'll need 20 years of an MD salary just to pay his loans.
54 posted on 07/18/2005 3:52:49 PM PDT by .cnI redruM ("Something must be done, even if it doesn't work," Bob Geldof)
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