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Breeding Stupidity:Where does the insistence "war in Iraq is creating terrorists" come from?
WEEKLY STANDARD.COM ^ | JULY 14, 2005 | HUGH HEWITT

Posted on 07/16/2005 9:00:34 AM PDT by CHARLITE

THERE IS A STRANGE PAIRING of positions on the left.

The first is that Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda were not connected. The work of Stephen F. Hayes and Thomas Joscelyn in THE WEEKLY STANDARD, which is supported by other serious investigative reporters such as Claudia Rosett has already established beyond any reasonable doubt that there was a web of connections, but the combination of the left's indifference to inconvenient facts and the international version of the soft bigotry of low expectations--an Arab dictator couldn't have had a sophisticated intelligence service capable of hiding such matters--make it an article of faith among Bush haters that there was no connection.

Exactly the opposite approach to facts and evidence is emerging on the left's claim that Iraq is a breeding ground for terrorists. "Breeding ground" means something quite different from "killing ground." The term conveys the belief that had the United States and its allies not invaded Iraq, there would be fewer jihadists in the world today--that the transition of Iraq from brutal dictatorship to struggling democracy has somehow unleashed a terrorist-breeding virus.

The fact that foreign fighters are streaming across Syria into Iraq in the hopes of killing America is not evidence supporting the "breeding ground" theory. "Opportunity" to act is not the same thing as "motive" for acting. There is zero evidence for the proposition that Iraq is motive rather than opportunity, but the "motive" theory is nevertheless put forward again and again. As recently as Wednesday the Washington Post

account of the aftermath of the London bombings included the incredible--and unsubstantiated in the article--claim that the "the profile of the suspects suggested by investigators fit long-standing warnings by security experts that the greatest potential threat to Britain could come from second-generation Muslims, born here but alienated from British society and perhaps from their own families, and inflamed by Britain's participation in the Iraq war."[emphasis added]

In an interview with the London Times, Prime Minister Tony Blair disputed the idea "that the London terrorist attacks were a direct result of British involvement in the Iraq war. He said Russia had suffered terrorism with the Beslan school massacre, despite its opposition to the war, and that terrorists were planning further attacks on Spain even after the pro-war government was voted out. "September 11 happened before Iraq, before Afghanistan, before any of these issues and that was the worst terrorist atrocity of all," he said.

While it is theoretically possible that some jihadists were forged as a result of the invasion of Iraq, no specific instance of such a terrorist has yet been produced. Reports in the aftermath of the London bombings indicated that the British intelligence service estimates more than 3,000 residents of Great Britain had trained in the Afghanistan terrorist camps prior to the invasion of Afghanistan--which suggests that the probability is very high that most of the jihadists in England date their hatred of the West to some point prior to the invasion of Iraq. And though two of the London bombers appear to have traveled to Pakistan for religious instruction post-March 2003, there is not the slightest bit of evidence that it was Iraq which "turned" the cricket-loving young men into killers. In fact, it is transparently absurd for anyone to claim such a thing.

So why is the claim being made, and not just post-London, but in all of the contexts where the "breeding ground" rhetoric surfaces?

Of course it's a convenient stick with which to beat the Bush administration. But it has a far more powerful lure than that.

As the bloody toll of the Islamist movement grows and its record of horrors lengthens from Bali to Beslan to Madrid to London, the incredible cost that can only be attributed to the Afghanistan metastasis that went unchecked from the time of bin Laden's return there in 1996 until the American-led invasion of 2001 becomes ever more clear. That was the true "breeding ground" of the world's menace, not the Sunni triangle, where jihadists are continually under pressure and increasingly desperate. The long years ahead in the global war on terrorism will be spent trying to undo the damage done by allowing the Islamist radicals a safe haven from which to export their ideology and to train and deploy their converts.

The realization of the price of inaction through the '90s has a huge political cost attached to it, one that the Democrats will bear if a full accounting is ever compiled. Thus the "breeding ground" rhetoric--empty and absurd as it is--is a convenient and even necessary bit of smoke. There's no fire underneath that smoke. Just a desperate hope that noise will drown out voices pointing to the real history of the rise of the Islamist threat.

In an exchange with Ron Reagan on MSNBC this week,

Christopher Hitchens sharply rebuked the "motive" school of terrorist psychologists: "I thought I heard you making just before we came on the air, of attributing rationality or a motive to this, and to say that it's about anything but itself, you make a great mistake, and you end up where you ended up, saying that the cause of terrorism is fighting against it, the root cause, I mean." [emphasis added]

Hitchens's point, which must be made again and again, is Blair's point: The killers are killers because they want to kill, not because the coalition invaded Iraq, or Afghanistan, or because there are bases in Saudi Arabia, or because Israel will not retreat to the 1967 borders.

Until and unless the left gets this point, and abandons the idea that "breeding" of terrorists is something the West triggers, they cannot be trusted with the conduct of the war.

Hugh Hewitt is the host of a nationally syndicated radio show, and author most recently of Blog: Understanding the Information Reformation That is Changing Your World. His daily blog can be found at HughHewitt.com.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; antiamerican; breeding; hewitt; iraq; liberals; policy; terror; terrorists; us; waronterror
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1 posted on 07/16/2005 9:00:35 AM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: ThreePuttinDude; Beth528; SMARTY; CyberAnt; nothingnew; Cornpone; Blurblogger; ...
WOT ping.

Char :)

2 posted on 07/16/2005 9:02:39 AM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: CHARLITE

In response to the title, it comes from the moron mentality of the blame-America-first, hand-wringing, cowardly, appeasing liberal left.


3 posted on 07/16/2005 9:03:20 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: CHARLITE

They are not going to be able to defeat our military, they know that. They are no different than the Islamofascist in England, New York, well, the whole world. They are evil, and just like the MSM attention they get by attacking in Iraq. It's the media they are trying to impress (and Dums, with some success) that makes them go to Iraq. Maybe Iraq is just training ops for the rest of the World.


4 posted on 07/16/2005 9:06:20 AM PDT by marty60
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To: CHARLITE

5 posted on 07/16/2005 9:08:16 AM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: CHARLITE

The mullahs of money and murder are creating terrorists.


6 posted on 07/16/2005 9:17:11 AM PDT by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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To: CHARLITE
The short way of making the same point is this: The Germans did not fight us because we fought back against them. Neither did the Japanese. And anyone with the slightest, dim knowledge of the schooling and public statements in Germany and Japan before WW II knows that the seeds of hatred and war were firmly planted before the war began.

Put the text books and government speeches and press releases side by side, from Germany, Japan, Iran, Palestinian Authority, and Zimbabwe. Other than details such as language and geography, I defy any of the "we are breeding this" crowd to find any difference between the murderous paranoias of those various nations.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "The Fry Cook Rule for the Supreme Court"

7 posted on 07/16/2005 9:18:07 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Will President Bush appoint a Justice who obeys the Constitution? I give 85-15 odds on yes.)
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To: CHARLITE

Very good stuff. Disseminate widely.


8 posted on 07/16/2005 9:23:35 AM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: Congressman Billybob

"And anyone with the slightest, dim knowledge of the schooling and public statements in Germany and Japan before WW II"

That's, what, about 5% of the American public?


9 posted on 07/16/2005 9:28:18 AM PDT by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval.)
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To: CHARLITE

The answer to the question is that the stupid insistence that the war in Iraq is creating terrorists comes from people who grew up so sheltered that they never learned the basic lessons of the playground. That if you don't eventually stand up to the bully or the gang, the gang never stops beating you up and taking your lunch money.

Taking out Saddam was a HUGE body blow to their whole movement. A death blow? No. But a very big setback.

My beef now is that we don't seem to be pouring it on trying to finish them off while they're wounded. I feel we're letting them get up off the mat by not being aggressive enough in Iraq and not stopping them in the Southern US, and that scares the crap out of me.


10 posted on 07/16/2005 9:28:28 AM PDT by johnb838 (Dominus Vobiscum)
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To: CHARLITE

I have personally always thought that Islamofascists would have been more upsent about the Afghan war than the one in secular communist Iraq...afterall Sadaam had no ties to Al Qaeda right??huh huh??


11 posted on 07/16/2005 9:30:46 AM PDT by atlanta67
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To: marty60

The greatest hope of the Muslims is to say in the media, "Look at all of the people killed, and it is all your fault, for you did not give into us, long ago!"
"The War in Iraq is all your fault, you did not side with Hitler as we did, you did not let us have our way, and we are in your country now, making all of you bite the bombs".


12 posted on 07/16/2005 9:31:57 AM PDT by tessalu
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To: CHARLITE
"The fact that foreign fighters are streaming across Syria into Iraq in the hopes of killing America is not evidence supporting the "breeding ground" theory."

To whatever extent that's actually happening, we should be glad. The whole difficulty w/ fighting terrorists in our modern PC society is that they are scattered here and there, dispersed among the general population. Although its tempting, we can't just nuke the whole Mideast because of world opinion. And we can't always tell the "good" from the "bad" even when we're looking right at them.

The problem becomes "How can we sort them out?".

And the answer to that problem is we let them sort themselves out by letting them head toward the fighting rather than away from it.

In hindsight, maybe we should have considered a much slower approach to Baghdad to begin with. The more who migrated to the front lines to fight us, the better. And in that situation it would have been more "acceptable" on the world stage to hit 'em hard with traditional (ie. "indiscriminate") artillery, etc...

I know this sounds barbaric, but I think way more of 'em needed to die in the early stages.

And I doubt if that consideration was lost on our military leaders either. Unfortunately, they're saddled with our (and the world's) low tolerance for serious combat losses.

Nonetheless, they should have considered this before hand. If you're not willing to go in and do the job right, you may be better off not doing it at all.

I feel sorry for our troops there - constantly being put in harms way just so we could minimize damage to the enemy. Our philosophy should have been "The life of 1 American soldier is worth l000 Iraqi lives", and we should have stated that openly right from the get go. If they had to level Baghdad to avoid a few American casualties, I personally wouldn't have had any problem with that.

What better way to separate them out
13 posted on 07/16/2005 9:33:43 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: CHARLITE
Blood lust (coupled with girly-man western reaction)emboldens the Muslims to abandon the false face of moderation and openly admit to the majority held mass murder doctrine of Jihad
14 posted on 07/16/2005 9:34:11 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Sofa King
Your estimate is, I fear, too generous. I doubt that more than 1% of the American public have a clue that the brainwashing of the population into paranoia and hatred in Japan and Germany is a near-exact match for many nations today, including Iran, North Korea, Zimbabwe, and the Palestinian Authority, to name just a few.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "The Fry Cook Rule for the Supreme Court"

15 posted on 07/16/2005 9:38:30 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Will President Bush appoint a Justice who obeys the Constitution? I give 85-15 odds on yes.)
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To: Sofa King
"That's, what, about 5% of the American public?"

Your kindness and generosity (Re the American Public)are only surpassed by your good looks and intelligence! LOL...

16 posted on 07/16/2005 9:40:05 AM PDT by litehaus
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To: CHARLITE

"Breeding Stupidity:Where does the insistence "war in Iraq is creating terrorists" come from?"
Rats have small brains and they think everyone else does as well. They hear something and repeat it over and over.


17 posted on 07/16/2005 9:40:13 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Dealing with liberals? Remember: when you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty and he loves it.)
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To: bitt
LOL!

You got me...my coffee is sloshing all over the keyboard.

18 posted on 07/16/2005 9:45:21 AM PDT by concrete is my business (God bless construction workers.)
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To: CHARLITE

Ted Kennedy and his ilk.


19 posted on 07/16/2005 9:49:58 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty (Crush the jihadists, drive their minions before you, and hear the whining of their mullahs!)
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To: concrete is my business

I have hoarded the best of the best - not my creations, but mine, now...lol


20 posted on 07/16/2005 9:50:55 AM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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