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Here is a qoute from http://www.mayhem.net/Crime/cults1.html

"Killer cults tend to be led by charismatic megalomaniacs who pit themselves and their churches against the rest of the world. They are usually apocalyptic visionaries drunk with lust and power that have physical and sexual control over their followers. In most cases their beliefs stem from twisted interpretations of established doctrines. These self-proclaimed divinities usually amass a large arsenal of weapons before bringing forth their personal day of reckoning."

1 posted on 07/16/2005 3:40:56 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: nuconvert; Dog; Coop; Cap Huff; Saberwielder

Looking into the head of UBL and similar megalomaniacs.


2 posted on 07/16/2005 3:43:25 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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How could such people have callously bombed dozens of their fellow citizens into oblivion?

Here's the answer.

Islamic Scholar Warns U.S. of Two Faced Muslims
3 posted on 07/16/2005 3:49:18 AM PDT by Man50D
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To: AdmSmith
Consistent with this, a recent analysis of 500 al-Qaeda members found that the majority of them had been in further education and were from relatively affluent families.

And it is this small analysis that is consistently overlooked by the MSM and the liberals. They claim terrorism is often caused by the poor & suppressed in the ME or culture. And until it is understood that this is not the case at all we will remain vulnerable to attack. We are not at war with the poor in the ME, but the rich of the ME and that gives a whole different perspective on the WOT and the phrase "Nation of Islam."

4 posted on 07/16/2005 3:53:32 AM PDT by EBH (Never give-up, Never give-in, and Never Forget)
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But in fact researchers have found no correlation between cult membership and psychological disorder.

LOL!

The smallest minority in the world is the individual.

Individual vs Collective

Freedom vs Slavery

Life vs Death

5 posted on 07/16/2005 3:53:39 AM PDT by PGalt
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Good post AdmSmith...I also think that there must be some type of drugs involved, as there was in the days of the Assassins

PROP Ping!

6 posted on 07/16/2005 3:55:41 AM PDT by Former Dodger ( "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Einstein)
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Charismatics? ROFL! More like sociopaths with delusions of grandeur. That's the kind of guys who lead killer cults.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
7 posted on 07/16/2005 3:57:19 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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We should never underestimate the power of ideology.

This holds true in many other areas as well. One just needs to look at the cult of Klintoon, or the cult of Feminism, or Scientology... or any any brain dead progressive committed to some loopy cause.

8 posted on 07/16/2005 3:59:25 AM PDT by Fzob (Why does this tag line keep showing up?)
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Cults promote a message which claims certainty about issues which are objectively uncertain.

This is also unfortunately a classic definition of religion in general, and thus by itself gives us no way to differentiate between a "religion" and a "cult."

Of course, the traditional definition is that my beliefs are a religion, and yours are a cult.

9 posted on 07/16/2005 4:03:16 AM PDT by Restorer (Liberalism: the auto-immune disease of societies.)
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How cults can produce killers

Soooo, the Davidians PRODUCED Janet Reno?

12 posted on 07/16/2005 4:28:57 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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The author uses paragraph after paragraph of psychobabble to finally get to this "prescription":

What therefore can be done? It is certainly clear that where cultic groups engage in illegal activities the full force of the law should be deployed against them.

What the hell does that mean? Strictly enforce zoning laws against Jehovas Witness temples? More health department inspections at Hare Krisha-owned restaurants?

We must become suspicious of those who claim certainty, we must challenge all authority figures and we must cherish dissent: it is these responses that diminish the leaders of cults, rather than the society in which we live.

Yep, that will have the muzzies quivering in their boots.

18 posted on 07/16/2005 4:51:34 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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Militant secularists try put down all other religions. Amish are very separate and commited but they do not blow themselves up.

And it is militant secularists who in the name of their cult murdered the largest number of people.

19 posted on 07/16/2005 4:58:03 AM PDT by A. Pole (For today's Democrats abortion and "gay marriage" are more important that the whole New Deal legacy.)
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Nobody, from any and all religion, should blindly allow others to tell them what to think.


21 posted on 07/16/2005 5:02:53 AM PDT by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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"Killer cults tend to be led by charismatic megalomaniacs who pit themselves and their churches against the rest of the world. They are usually apocalyptic visionaries drunk with lust and power that have physical and sexual control over their followers. In most cases their beliefs stem from twisted interpretations of established doctrines. These self-proclaimed divinities usually amass a large arsenal of weapons before bringing forth their personal day of reckoning."

Liberals democrat party is a killer cult by these standards.


22 posted on 07/16/2005 5:04:39 AM PDT by ohhhh ( That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice,..)
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We have these same type of ordinary Putz's living here, working hard in the 7-11 by day fermenting violence by night. Ordinary looking middle -eastern people who pose as Americans, but are really hoping to destroy our America and rebuild it into an Islamic shiitehole. Dont be surprised when these people attack.The ACLU is doing all they can to help.


25 posted on 07/16/2005 5:27:16 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: AdmSmith
Good post.

The author's diagnosis of symptoms is right on the money.
Most cults don't turn violent, hence they're usually laughed off and/or ignored.

Imo, 'deprogramming' is just another name for trying to negate learned (and varying degrees of) submissiveness and instilling a human being with a rational, independent backbone for the first time in their lives.

In most cases, scaling Mt. Everest on one's knees would be an easier task.

Once a cult turns to unprovoked violence toward innocents, the factors of time and the safety of the community will/should exclude any responses 'gentler' than imprisonment or extermination.

If the quote attributed to him is accurate, Einstein was close, but wrong.

The two most common elements in the universe are actually hydrogen and wishful thinking.

28 posted on 07/16/2005 5:52:10 AM PDT by tomkat
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This article is nonsense from start to finish. The thing wrong with people who murder innocents wholesale is not that they think anything with certainty. Only the most doctinaire and narrow minded skeptical philosopher could possibly think so. "If only they were skeptics", sigh. That is the whole argument and it is demonstrably false.

Skepticism was deployed in the east in support of theology long before it was used in the west to attack it. Ghazali is a lot older than Hume. The belief that nothing can be known with certainty can promote mysticism (by erasing the line between rationalism and mysticism). Doctrinal Asharite theologians are determined skeptics. Faith is acknowledged to be devoid of certainty, certainty and any desire for it is regarded as a species of pride, attempting to control God. To the point where belief in necessity in any form is regarded as heretical. This is not an obscure theological position held by nobodies, it is one of a handful of dominant theological schools in Islam.

Nor is the willingness to accept death a sign of madness. The article turns bravery into madness, or any hope for an afterlife. All Christianity, all Islam, all Hindus teach the existence of afterlifes, as things taken on faith typically, nothing to do with certainty (a modern philosophy shibboleth, not a religious one). You can think they are reassuring fairy tales, but two thirds of mankind profess them so you can't call them abnormal. Ask an anthropologist how far back it goes and across how many cultures. Nor have peoples who rejected such things as mythical been famously tolerant. The greatest mass murderers of the 20th century professed no such beliefs.

Men accept death because they are mortal, and at some point any reasonable man recognizes that there can be and are things more important. The lay runs "then out spake brave Horatio, the master of the gate, 'to every man upon this earth death cometh soon or late, and how can man die better, than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers and the temples of their gods?'" There is nothing irrational in self sacrifice even to the point of death, if the object is important enough. No one can permanently avoid death, but men can avoid cowardice, servitude, immoral actions, disgrace. Many a soldier has accepted death in battle to save others, there is no metaphysical mystery involve. A rational acceptance of mortality is quite sufficient.

The thing wrong with terrorists who blow others to bits is not that they aren't philosophical skeptics, or that they believe in an afterlife, or that they accept death. People exist who have any or all of those characteristics that have absolutely nothing wrong with them. It is that they kill innocents, and in doing so they commit a great moral evil. That is quite completely all, and it is not complicated.

But people like the writer of this piece are not really interested in what is wrong with the bombers themselves. They are merely using them as a prop to preach against their ideological bete noirs. Since belief in morality and the existence of real moral claims binding on all men is not something they philosophically accept, they look for anything else. And hurl their denunciations at anyone who seems certain of themselves (when the bombers needn't be, and mathematicians can reasonably be certain of all sorts of things), or believes in an afterlife (Mother Teresa must have been so dangerous then, right?), or accepts mortality (as though they will live forever if they don't, and all soldiers are fools).

29 posted on 07/16/2005 5:58:06 AM PDT by JasonC
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"[I]f we persuade people to attend a Tupperware party the chances are that they will buy something, even if they have no particular desire to do so."

I always suspected Tupperware was a cult!

No, seriously, good article. Although I'm not sure the DUP (Democratic Ulster Party?) will appreciate being included.


31 posted on 07/16/2005 6:37:34 AM PDT by jocon307 (Can we close the border NOW?)
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To: AdmSmith

A better perspective is to study God's Word to discern between a false god and the Truth.

The evil vice isn't faith, rather faith allows one to discern and avoid such evil consequence.


36 posted on 07/16/2005 7:40:06 AM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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Bump!


37 posted on 07/16/2005 7:57:00 AM PDT by F-117A
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The ideology is therefore critical, and cults are adept at reinforcing its power. Members spend more and more time talking only to each other. They engage in rituals designed to reinforce the dominant belief system. Language degenerates into a series of thought-stifling clichés which encourages other actions that are consistent with the ideology of the cult.

So then FR is a cult ?

39 posted on 07/16/2005 8:20:49 AM PDT by oldbrowser (The MSM is a cancer on our society)
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