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Harry Potter and the Chair of Peter (Lead us not into temptation has meaning to Benedict XVI.)
The American Prowler ^ | 7/14/2005 | J. Peter Freire

Posted on 07/13/2005 11:29:36 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: PhiKapMom

You should see the abuse that gets heaped on the Chronicles of Narnia: Promoting child sexual abuse, drug abuse, underage drinking, paganism, sun worshipping...


41 posted on 07/14/2005 6:55:23 AM PDT by johnb838 (Dominus Vobiscum)
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To: nickcarraway

I won't read DVC. It is designed to tear down and mislead. Harry is about good and evil and friendship. Apples and Oranges. And you'll know them by their fruits.


42 posted on 07/14/2005 6:58:42 AM PDT by johnb838 (Dominus Vobiscum)
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To: PhiKapMom
"What are these people going to advocate next -- burn books."

Perhaps you should of read the article a third time:

Is the blacklist back? Are those Catholics ex-communicating authors? Is the Christian Right going to protest the Potter films? When does the book-burning begin? You would think children would soon have scarlet P's etched into their chests.
Seems as though the author has you pegged.
43 posted on 07/14/2005 7:02:26 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: Caipirabob

There ARE ancient stories about wiccans and methods of ingesting hallucinogens that supposedly led to the stories about flying broomsticks.


44 posted on 07/14/2005 7:03:24 AM PDT by johnb838 (Dominus Vobiscum)
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To: SouthernFreebird
You should be much more concerned with your child coming into contact with a public school employee; collectively they've assaulted 4.5 million children over a 10 year period. Harbor any contmept for those pedophiles or do you reserve that broad paint brush for <1% of Catholic Priests?
45 posted on 07/14/2005 7:22:13 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: xzins; PhiKapMom; grellis; k2blader
I think they did say that HP can blur the lines between good/evil. And it is true.

Harry Potter is the age-old battle between good and evil, and teaches a LOT of good things such as friendship, trust, self-confidence, standing up to bullies, etc. There is no blurring.

It's a world of witches, demons, magical powers, darkness, etc. In short, it is an occult worldview. And if I simultaneously teach an occult worldview is both good and bad, have I not blurred something?

It's fiction, fantasy! Occult? C'mon, we live in the 21st century, not 1692 Salem, Mass.

I suppose CS Lewis and JRR Tolkien are both authors who wrote similar books of the "occult?" No, they get a pass. Why? Because personally they were know Christians, so everyone says the Good-v-Evil stories of their books are somehow Christian-themed, whereas JK Rowling hasn't expressed any devout Christian faith, so her similarly-themed books must be of the occult.

Nonsense.

46 posted on 07/14/2005 7:22:44 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: PhiKapMom
"What's with Catholics and books--should clean up their own house and quit worrying about what book someone is going to read"

Nothing like lumping a billion people together in one statement to show your prejudice. After all, I don't mind you worshiping Satan. I don't mind you advocating the destruction of Western Civilization. I don't mind you wanting group marriage and... what? You are not for those things? I thought all Wiccans wanted a pagan lifestyle free of Christianity. What? You are not a pagan or a Wiccan?
Man, those silly generalities can lead you down some silly paths.
47 posted on 07/14/2005 7:23:57 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: PhiKapMom
That's quite the jerk your knee has.

Get a grip, toots.

48 posted on 07/14/2005 7:24:57 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: PhiKapMom
Guess maybe there should have been a warning on Nancy Drew books when I grew up

Nancy Drew was an evil seductress who should have stayed home and baked cookies for the Hardy Boys.

49 posted on 07/14/2005 7:26:46 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: Ace of Spades

Are you kidding? Tens of thousands of little kids were in Hitler Youth because they were heavily pressured to be. Haven't you read anything about this Pope?

You think the Pope has no right to make a statement or have an opinion about a book?


50 posted on 07/14/2005 7:44:06 AM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: DTogo; Corin Stormhands; Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg

Of course it's fantasy. That's a given. Of course it's fiction. That's a given.

The pope is no dummy. He's knows what literature is as well as we do.

He's saying that we should think about how the lines between good/evil can be blurred. Is there even one thing wrong with that? How can thinking about it injure anything?

Imagine a fantasy world. It's got a young hero of the Revolutionary People's Brigade who goes around fighting evil capitalists who are attempting to pillage people and bring them into economic servitude.

He draws strength from 2 spirits named Stalinsky and Leninsky. His latest soul-mate is an elderly, Obi Wan type Lawyer named Ramses Clakke who leads him in opposition to the evil empire, Etats Unis, after it's invasion of a helpless, religio-socialist desert state.

Now, you might let your kid read it, right? But would you have some concern that might prompt you to think about distinctions in your child's mind that might be blurred by that book?


51 posted on 07/14/2005 7:45:10 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: DTogo

I admire Tolkien and C.S.Lewis and consider their books uplifting for children and adults not because they have the label "Christian" but because (a) they were actually good writers, especially Tolkien, and (b) their books are not only finely crafted, but lead the reader a little higher in understanding, promote simple virtues, the characters go through internal struggles and become morally strong. I am not against "occultism" in books, it's like money or strength - how it is used is paramount.

Rowling's books, OTOH, are crappily written, the characters are shallow, selfish, cartoonish, there is no good or evil, just two teams. The only reason Harry is "good" is because someone "bad" wants to kill him. There is no character growth, and her use of the occult gives it a glimmer of attraction in a somewhat perverted manner. She actually did a tremendous amount of research to make it very authentic.

She appeals to the desire to have power over others, not power over self.


52 posted on 07/14/2005 7:49:53 AM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: xzins; JenB

Oh good, we needed another thread on this...


53 posted on 07/14/2005 7:50:26 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: bencarter

Note my comment above. Power over others as compared to power over self.


54 posted on 07/14/2005 7:55:35 AM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: little jeremiah

see my #51


55 posted on 07/14/2005 7:56:25 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Corin Stormhands

I repeat...how can just "thinking about" things that might be blurred in a child's mind be a bad thing?

Maybe you'll conclude there's nothing to clarify to the kid, maybe you won't. But, at least you'll know you checked that box.


56 posted on 07/14/2005 7:57:44 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins

As I said on the other thread, parental involvement is key.

But the lack of parental involvement is not J.K. Rowling's fault.


57 posted on 07/14/2005 7:59:38 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands

I can live with that. I, for one, would have to intervene with the kids and clear up any blurred lines between good and evil.

But I'm just one extremely intelligent, exceedingly handsome, awesomely articulate, everyday guy. :>)


58 posted on 07/14/2005 8:03:26 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins

The book you describe sounds like the Kerry-Edwards campaign, and we all watched, listened, laughed, and rejected that last year.


59 posted on 07/14/2005 8:05:40 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: little jeremiah
Rowling's books, OTOH, are crappily written, the characters are shallow, selfish, cartoonish, there is no good or evil, just two teams. The only reason Harry is "good" is because someone "bad" wants to kill him. There is no character growth, and her use of the occult gives it a glimmer of attraction in a somewhat perverted manner. She actually did a tremendous amount of research to make it very authentic. She appeals to the desire to have power over others, not power over self.

Not at all what we took away from the books.

60 posted on 07/14/2005 8:11:55 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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