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Blair says need to combat extremist Muslim ideology
Yahoo! News ^ | AFP

Posted on 07/13/2005 6:02:49 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry

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To: Leapfrog
British version of "religion of peace".
21 posted on 07/13/2005 7:25:40 AM PDT by nairBResal
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I'm not from England, but a curry-eater does not a Muslim make. There are many Indians, Pakistanis & others from those areas who are Hindu & other religions. Ravi Zacharis isn't Muslim.


22 posted on 07/13/2005 7:26:18 AM PDT by madison10
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To: madison10

I like a dose once in a while myself. Excuse my reference to curry...


23 posted on 07/13/2005 7:29:34 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Scratch a Liberal. Uncover a Fascist)
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To: MadIvan

How would the average Brit show displeasure ? Authorities have pretty much rounded up all the guns and knives.


24 posted on 07/13/2005 7:30:58 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Scratch a Liberal. Uncover a Fascist)
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To: Leapfrog
Blair told parliament his government would consider tougher action against people who incite or instigate terrorism, including tighter entry procedures, as well as try to promote the voice of moderate Islam at home and abroad.

This is an obvious first step that should have been done years ago, but wasn't because of political correctness.

Well, it's a start, anyhow.

25 posted on 07/13/2005 7:35:53 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: MadIvan
I understand, Ivan, but don't you agree that the presence of so many concentrated is enclaves is more dangerous than if they were distributed throughout the country?

We have the same problem in the U.S., albeit a bit smaller, in relation to our overall population.

26 posted on 07/13/2005 7:38:46 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: tobyhill; Valin
>You don't really know who we're fighting do you
>>It is no longer ours or European's responsibility to try to separate within a community who the terrorist are

You're missing the point.
I think Freeper Valin's hint
is that terrorists

are just a facade
and the powers behind them
are the real bad guys.

However, I'm not
clever enough to be sure
which brand of tin foil

is most popular
for sorting out who's in charge
behind what we see . . .

27 posted on 07/13/2005 7:43:27 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss

What we are fighting is a sect/branch/version(?) of Islam.
I say it, George Bush says it, Dick Cheney says it, Condi Rice says it, Don Rumsfeld says it, Natan Sharansky says it, Tony Blair says it, Dr. Benard Lewis says it, Daniel Pipes says it....


28 posted on 07/13/2005 7:53:37 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: theFIRMbss
My definition of terrorist is more than just the perpetrators of acts but includes anyone that knows of someone involved in extremist ideology and fails to report it or do something about it. The separation, if there is one, will come from the "moderates" when they challenge the ideology of the extremist through more than empty condemnations. My point is, we should consider all of the Muslim's the enemy until of which time they prove to us otherwise. There has always been ways they could convince us that they are with us but have failed to demonstrate this to us thus far. Parades and condemnations just ain't goin to cut it this time.
29 posted on 07/13/2005 8:07:30 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Valin
>What we are fighting is a sect/branch/version(?) of Islam . . .

During World War 2,
some Germans liked the US.
Even the Nazis

had three or four "blocs"
and not all of them were nuts.
Yet the free world fought

Germany at large.
We didn't task our soldiers
with sorting out which

Germans were Nazis
and, of that set, which were bad
Nazis worth killing.

30 posted on 07/13/2005 8:15:44 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss

Apples & oranges.


31 posted on 07/13/2005 8:18:59 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: DCPatriot
What part of the Koran ISN'T incitful and extreme? The sermons would get very boring if they read the same one or two passages that weren't over and over again. Ishaq:208 “When Allah gave permission to his Apostle to fight, the second Aqaba contained conditions involving war which were not in the first act of submission. Now we bound themselves to war against all mankind for Allah and His Apostle. He promised us a reward in Paradise for faithful service. We pledged ourselves to war in complete obedience to Muhammad no matter how evil the circumstances.”

Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’”

32 posted on 07/13/2005 8:22:26 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Valin

They may say it, but the truth is Islam is what it is. All secs branches etc follow the same koran except for a few different sura's and hadith. The overall teachings of the koran in regards to the Infidel, the christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddist, and world domination is the same.

History teaches us what Islam is all about as well. Are you going to deny history too?


33 posted on 07/13/2005 8:26:22 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Leapfrog
Well, with this mentality, let's go ahead and bring back Nazism too.

So long Britian. You had a nice run while it lasted.

34 posted on 07/13/2005 8:27:47 AM PDT by riri
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To: Nathan Zachary
Are you going to deny history too?

No. What I am going to do is stand with people a whole lot smarter than I on this.

IF what you say is true don't you think that we'd see A LOT more incidences of terrorism given that there are 1.3 Billion Musllims in the world?

35 posted on 07/13/2005 8:33:57 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Valin
The Islamic Resistance Movement's Relation With the Moslem Brotherhood Group:

Article Two:

The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of Moslem Brotherhood in Palestine. Moslem Brotherhood Movement is a universal organization which constitutes the largest Islamic movement in modern times. It is characterised by its deep understanding, accurate comprehension and its complete embrace of all Islamic concepts of all aspects of life, culture, creed, politics, economics, education, society, justice and judgement, the spreading of Islam, education, art, information, science of the occult and conversion to Islam.

Article Three:

The basic structure of the Islamic Resistance Movement consists of Moslems who have given their allegiance to Allah whom they truly worship, - "I have created the jinn and humans only for the purpose of worshipping" - who know their duty towards themselves, their families and country. In all that, they fear Allah and raise the banner of Jihad in the face of the oppressors, so that they would rid the land and the people of their uncleanliness, vileness and evils.

Article Four:

The Islamic Resistance Movement welcomes every Moslem who embraces its faith, ideology, follows its programme, keeps its secrets, and wants to belong to its ranks and carry out the duty. Allah will certainly reward such one.

Article Five:

Time extent of the Islamic Resistance Movement: By adopting Islam as its way of life, the Movement goes back to the time of the birth of the Islamic message, of the righteous ancestor, for Allah is its target, the Prophet is its example and the Koran is its constitution. Its extent in place is anywhere that there are Moslems who embrace Islam as their way of life everywhere in the globe. This being so, it extends to the depth of the earth and reaches out to the heaven.

Article Six:

The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned. In the absence of Islam, strife will be rife, oppression spreads, evil prevails and schisms and wars will break out.

Article Seven:

As a result of the fact that those Moslems who adhere to the ways of the Islamic Resistance Movement spread all over the world, rally support for it and its stands, strive towards enhancing its struggle, the Movement is a universal one. It is well-equipped for that because of the clarity of its ideology, the nobility of its aim and the loftiness of its objectives.

On this basis, the Movement should be viewed and evaluated, and its role be recognised. He who denies its right, evades supporting it and turns a blind eye to facts, whether intentionally or unintentionally, would awaken to see that events have overtaken him and with no logic to justify his attitude. One should certainly learn from past examples.

Your looking at much more than just a "sec". Unless you are blind, unaware, There is murder, genocide all over the world from the hand of Islam. It spreads by the sword, always has. http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm Read it all. It's a global concept.

36 posted on 07/13/2005 8:43:15 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Valin

What, killing over a million people in the last ten years isn't enough for you?
10,000 Christians in Sudan alone last month? just because the media doesn't report it, doesn't mean it's not happening EVERY SINGLE DAY. Everywhere!!


37 posted on 07/13/2005 8:48:36 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
>Are you going to deny history too?

There is a reason
why politicians would want
to define this war

using pointless terms
like "sect" to describe Muslims.
If politicians

present themselves as
facing an impossible
task -- sorting out which

sects we're fighting and
how much support other sects
are giving bad guys --

then nobody can
ever say politicians
have failed! Because they

have couched the issue
as impossible, so if
they just do something,

then us citizens
will have to be satisfied.
If we're not blown up . . .

38 posted on 07/13/2005 9:23:20 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Valin

Blair knows who the radical clerics and their followers are in Britain and Bush knows who they are in the US. What needs to be done is to start picking them up and if there is any protest, get them, too. Then deport them. Oh the UN will protest, but who cares? This is a war on terrorism, and you don't allow the enemy to move around freely in your country in a war. While this is all going on you need to put the military alongside the border patrol on the borders, and then tighten the immigration rules. Blair and Bush can do this cause they are both lame ducks. It is time to do what is best for their countries.


39 posted on 07/13/2005 10:08:01 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, DemocRATs believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: Destro; knighthawk; MadIvan

ping


40 posted on 07/13/2005 2:52:46 PM PDT by Wiz
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