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1 posted on 07/12/2005 2:00:17 PM PDT by F14 Pilot
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2 posted on 07/12/2005 2:01:10 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

Why is it that we have not heard from one Muslim cleric in the USA, not one Muslim organization in the USA, not one Muslim family in the USA denouncing these terrorist acts in London or against our soldiers and the Iraqi people. Until that happens, in my opinion, then Muslims in our country are condoning these acts of violence.

This is a time for good Muslim people to come forth and denounce these acts.

nick


3 posted on 07/12/2005 2:03:44 PM PDT by nikos1121
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To: F14 Pilot
All you need to know about Islam:


5 posted on 07/12/2005 2:05:18 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: F14 Pilot

The poor deluded man.


6 posted on 07/12/2005 2:05:19 PM PDT by yarddog
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Ping!


7 posted on 07/12/2005 2:05:33 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: F14 Pilot
'There are no Muslim terrorists. There are terrorists," Father Paul Hawkins of St Pancras parish church told his congregation on Sunday. "The people who carried out these attacks are victims of a false religion, be it false Christianity or false Islam."

Criky. I am sure getting tired of bozos letting Islam off the hook by including Christianity in their condemnations. An extremist Christian might give away all their possessions and live their life in servant paradigm...an extremist muslim believes in killing any non-muslim in an effort to bring the world under subjugation to Islam. The terrors WERE muslim terrorists even if this guy doesn't have the moral courage to say so.

9 posted on 07/12/2005 2:06:53 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: F14 Pilot

islam IS HATE!


10 posted on 07/12/2005 2:09:58 PM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound (islam IS the ENEMY of ALL Non-islamic peoples.)
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To: F14 Pilot

Even Steyn hopes against all hope that there are "moderate Muslims". But where? And what else can we do except to continue to fool ourselves? Ship them all out to where they came from, when there are today thousands of mosques built in formerly Christian lands, allowed there by the elites running the secularist states who have looked at all religion as a benign 'opium of the masses'. When many (of the muzzlelimb fanatics) are citizens, unassimilated, of the Western countries? It'll take a revolution of the masses against the elites in their safe from terror academic, political and entertainment world cocoons. Rodeo Drive and the Presidents' alma matter campuses are still safe, aren't they? Who'd ever think of bombing country clubs or the Hamptons?


13 posted on 07/12/2005 2:16:38 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: F14 Pilot

Daniel Pipes usefully estimates the Radical Islamicist population at 10-15% of Muslims.

While that's a relatively small minority, it is still more than ten million people who want to kill you or die trying.


14 posted on 07/12/2005 2:22:32 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie
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"But the coaxing is what counts - wooing moderate Muslims into reclaiming their religion. We can take steps to prevent Islamic terrorists killing us, most of the time. But Islamic terrorists will only stop trying to kill us when their culture reviles them rather than celebrates them."

OTOH, we are about one WMD away from the public requiring governments to:

"Kill them all and let Allah sort them out."

A nuke in Paris, Tel Aviv, Washington, or London would require the immediate overthrow / decimation of Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia. Possibly Pakistan if provenance were suggestive.

17 posted on 07/12/2005 2:26:15 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie
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To: F14 Pilot

In the last 2000 years, Jewish and Christian principles, Greek ideals and Roman organization and law created western civilization. In the last 800 years, following a promising if sanguinary begining, Islam has created the suicide bomber. There is nothing else it has to show except abject poverty, both material and spiritual and tyranny. It is not a religion as we understand it, it is a suicide pact with an unwilling partner.


22 posted on 07/12/2005 2:39:32 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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Seattle Catholic
A Journal of Catholic News and Views
18 Jan 2002
Muslim Persecution of Catholics

The violence perpetuated by the "religion of peace"

As the Catholic Church finds new ways to approach the issue of "world peace", it is faced with an unfortunate reality: currently no religious group in the world is subjected to more violence and persecution than Christians. While the Church has been instrumental in eliminating the "discrimination" towards other religions in formerly Catholic countries, not all of those other religions have followed suit.

In particular, the cult of Islam which is now referred to by confused Catholics as a "religion of peace", has shown little sign of letting up on its fourteen-hundred year campaign to eliminate Christianity. While the Pope welcomed the construction of a mosque in Rome almost completely financed by Saudi royalty, the construction of a Catholic Church in Saudi Arabia is strictly forbidden. Measures Catholic nations used to take to prevent the spread of error are subjected to the harsh condemnation of both secular revisionists and modern Catholics alike. But those same tactics employed in the Arabian counties of the Middle East are ignored out of a relativist sense of "tolerance".

The Church has decided to stop fighting its enemies in the interests of "religious liberty" and "dialogue", but its enemies have made no such concession:

The Church has chosen the road of negotiation and is "leading" by example, but such tactics appear to deny a fundamental and obvious truth not lost on the over one billion Muslims: the opposite of truth is error and error has no rights. Error is not something to be flattered, negotiated with, tolerated or accepted. It is offense to God and man and must be eliminated through conversion. The Muslims beliefs are false but their grasp of such a simple concept is irrefutable.

The relativism that considers all religions more or less good is a product of man, not God. The followers of Mohammed are right to completely reject the "enlightened" ideas of modern philosophy as every pre-Vatican II Pope did. Unless the Catholic Church is able to reclaim this truth for itself, it will find itself in an impossible position: having to defend itself from an enemy which Catholics were raised to believe is an innocent and peaceful ally.

There are many examples of persecution of Catholics at the hand of Muslims. Three areas of the world will be examined here.

Pakistan

Recently, a highly-publicized recent massacre in a Pakistani Catholic Church has caused many local Catholics to stay home on Sundays rather than risk a repeat of such a violent attack. Christians comprise less than 3% of the almost exclusively Muslim population of Pakistan.

On October 26, Pakistani newspapers printed the al-Qaeda demand for the death of two Christians in retaliation for every Muslim killed in the U.S. military strikes on Afghanistan. Two days later, masked gunmen opened fire on in a Church in Bahawalpur, putting 142 bullets into the walls, windows and altar and killing fifteen:

The investigation into the affair was big on political statements but lacking on effort: True to their words, the Bahawalpur attacks really were "just the beginning". Nine days, later another shooting occurred: and two days after that: Not only did these Muslim terrorists fail to get the Pope's message that "authentic" Islam is a "religion of peace", but they completely missed President Bush's insistence that "this is not a holy war".

Indonesia

Over the past two years, Muslim extremists have been waging a Jihad against Christians in the Moluccas region of Indonesia, bombing churches, burning homes and killing over 9,000 people.

On November 1st, militant forces trampled through the village of Waimulang, torching 350 homes and displacing over 1,000 people.6

On November 20th, nine Christians merchants were shot down in their boat while bringing goods to the shore.7

On November 26th, Muslim militants fought to overtake a Catholic educational compound and disabled children's center (!) so as to make it their military base:

Meanwhile, in the Sulawesi region of Indonesia, over 50,000 Christians are been forced to flee their homes to escape the violent Muslim militia. On December 20th, a peace agreement was signed between Muslim and Christian leaders, putting an end to the violence for almost two weeks. On January 1st, four churches were bombed.10

To make matters even worse, the Sulawesi region has also been host to al-Qaeda terrorist camps:

Given the past track record of the Indonesian government and army with regards to Christians, the efforts to stop the violence have been understandably slow. In December of 1975, the Indonesian army invaded the small Catholic country of East Timor beginning a bloody twenty-five year occupation that ended in a post-election slaughter of thousands. At the time of their withdrawal in 1999, the Indonesian army had killed an estimated 200,000 Timorese (one-third of the original population) and still detains an estimated 100,000 as political prisoners.12

Sudan

In the northern states of Sudan, the Muslim majority has been working to implement the Muslim Sharia law which includes such things as stoning for adultery, the illegality of any Christian worship or "proselytism" and the relegation of women to second-class citizens.

Christians have been protesting against the imposition of these laws and accompanying "Islamization" of the country by the Khartoum government, but have faced increasing violence. Rather than risk having their children seized and forced into slavery, many have fled to the predominately Christian southern states, which are receiving more refugees than they can handle:

With the body count now exceeding 2 million, the Sudanese civil war has been the bloodiest Africa has seen in decades.

In a supposed exchange for information on the terrorist attacks, the U.S. has removed obstacles to the lifting of UN sanctions — a move which seems to reward the oppressive Khartoum government. An open letter to the president signed by dozens of religious leaders and human rights activists rightfully criticized the move:

This was certainly a strange reward, but merely a prelude of the Bush Jr. administration's "policy" on China's human rights record. It's also a little ironic considering the ties between Sudan and bin Laden. According to Bishop Cesare Mazzolari of southern Sudan: The spread of Islam in the African nations is cause for great concern: Such a pattern has been more often the rule than the exception whenever the Muslim population becomes the majority. With Western European birthrates plummeting and the Muslim population and immigration surging without limits, it is not unthinkable to see the same "pattern" repeat itself in the heart of Western Civilization.

Conclusion

Father Vincent Serralda, a French priest who lived among Muslims in North Africa for fifty years, prepared a study analyzing the Koran and warning French families of the danger of Islam. He wrote in the preface:

Faced with such overwhelming evidence of the violent nature of Islam, both historically and throughout the modern world, how is it possible to maintain that Islam is a "peaceful" religion? While the Church is held responsible for launching the Crusades, Islam is not held accountable for the Turks' acts of terrorism which prompted them. The same double-standard exists today. Militant Muslims murdering millions of Christians in the name of their religion is not seen as any sort of problem with the false religion of Islam, but the misguided actions of a few radicals who misunderstand the "true" and "authentic" Islam.

And what is "authentic" Islam? One need look no further than the beliefs of their human founder himself:

Our Lady of Victory, Pray for Us.

Peter W. Miller
Seattle, WA
1/18/2002

FOOTNOTES:
1 From the Interventionis in scriptis on 13 October 1999 of His Eminence Mgr Giuseppe Germano Bernardini, OFM, Archbishop of Smyrna, at the Synod of European Bishops
2 ZENIT, "Christians in Pakistan Fear a 'Christmas Bloodbath'" (12/5/2001)
3 Ibid.
4 Ibid.
5 Ibid.
6 FIDES, "New Attacks by Muslim Extremists on Christians in Indonesia" (11/9/2001)
7 ZENIT, "9 Christians Shot Dead in Indonesia" (1/12/2001)
8 CWNews, "Indonesian Catholics Under Siege by Jihad Forces" (11/26/2001)
9 ZENIT, "Indonesian Christians Suffering New Attacks" (12/8/2001)
10 ZENIT, "4 Churches Bombed in Indonesia" (1/2/2002)
11 CWNews, "Indonesia says al-Qaeda Set Up Camps in Sulawesi" (12/13/2001)
12 Source: East Timor Action Network
13 FIDES, "Thousands Face Death in Sudan for Lack of Water" (1/11/2002)
14 ZENIT, "Letter to Bush Regarding Rapprochment with Sudan" (11/20/2001)
15 ZENIT, "Sudan Supports Terrorism, Bishop of Rumbek Says" (11/25/2001)
16 J. Burger, "Sudan's Christians Fight for Survival" National Catholic Register (12/2/2001)
17 Fr. J. Emily, "September 11 and the True Face of Islam" (2001)
18 Catholic Encyclopedia, "Mohammed and Mohammedanism" (1911)


25 posted on 07/12/2005 2:47:31 PM PDT by XR7
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With so many "strong Muslim communities" littering England's landscape, I think they're referring to this bombing as a "crime scene" to prevent a civil war or sorts. They feel they can't publicly villify Islam in general for this reason, but if Western nations continue to treat these bloody acts of war on our soil by Islamic infiltrators as 'crimes', we are in for a very long and protracted period of bloodshed and terrorism.

Hunting down the individual terrorists as each incident occurs and perhaps uncovering a terror cell in the process is the long road to victory. The shorter and safer road would be to have no "strong Muslim communities" in their midst in the first place. You don't fight cancer one tumor at a time, waiting for the next one send you to the hospital before treating it. You attack the whole cancer with radiation or chemo and try to get rid of it once and for all. God have mercy on our children and grandchildren who are told by our governments that Muslims are a 'peaceful people', and we only need to worry a few bad apples.

It only took nineteen "bad apples" to kill 3,000 of our people a few years ago, wound thousands more, and wreak so much havoc on our economy that we're still trying to recover from it.

28 posted on 07/12/2005 2:57:15 PM PDT by TheCrusader (("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" Pope Urban II)
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To: F14 Pilot

Islam can't be reformed for one simple reason.

The number one rule in Islam is that there is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet.

Therefore the life of Muhammad is and always will be the definition of a Muslim, and the shining example of how to think and act.

And that folks is the problem us infidels will always have to deal with.


32 posted on 07/12/2005 3:50:00 PM PDT by OK
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37 posted on 07/12/2005 5:04:52 PM PDT by SJackson (On the second try, I got that jug off, but then I had a bear tied to a tree)
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To: F14 Pilot
Islam does incubate terrorism

"I'm glad you're here to tell us these things!"

41 posted on 07/12/2005 5:46:07 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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