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Ten Conservative Principles
Orthodoxy Today ^ | Russell Kirk

Posted on 07/11/2005 11:33:12 AM PDT by Lorianne

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1 posted on 07/11/2005 11:33:13 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: eyespysomething

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2 posted on 07/11/2005 11:40:10 AM PDT by SittinYonder (America is the Last Beach)
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To: Lorianne

You know, at least seven of the above ten principles speak to why libertarians are not conservatives.


3 posted on 07/11/2005 11:41:01 AM PDT by My2Cents (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati [When all else fails, play dead])
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To: Lorianne

I've heard of the late Russell Kirk being one of the fathers of the conservative movement but you don't hear his name bandied about much anymore. I agree with him that conservatives are (or should be) more in tune with "permament things" rather than chaos but that is exactly what we have these days. I prefer the term "moral agnosticism" to describe this state of affairs. I define this as a marked inability and also a lack of desire to come to ultimate moral conclusions about things, abortion being the most obvious example. There are also the "philosophical constructs" constantly being used by the Left, such as the fetus may be human but isn't a person or that the late Terri Schiavo was not even human but merely a vegetable who could be dehydrated to death. Philosophical constructs one and all, as they have no basis in biological reality whatsover.


4 posted on 07/11/2005 11:42:11 AM PDT by drama queen
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To: Lorianne
I'll tell you what a conservative is. A conservative is someone who:

1. Opposes admission of Red China to the U.N.
2. Opposes giving away the Panama Canal
3. Opposes forced busing
4. Opposes fluoridation of drinking water
5. Supports the death penalty
6. Opposes unilateral disarmament, and
7. Supports a return to the gold standard.

5 posted on 07/11/2005 11:43:45 AM PDT by bayourod (Winning elections is everything in a democracy. Losing is for people unclear on the concept.)
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you don't hear his name bandied about much anymore

It was never bandied about much to begin with.

6 posted on 07/11/2005 11:44:27 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Lorianne

Goth teens spend an awful lot of time sitting around defining themselves too.


7 posted on 07/11/2005 11:49:15 AM PDT by biblewonk (If you don't get the bible, how can you be a Christian?)
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To: Lorianne

Excellent and well reasoned points. I find myself in agreement with almost all of them.


8 posted on 07/11/2005 11:51:55 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (You make my heart glad by building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: bayourod
I'll tell you what a conservative is. A conservative is someone who: [insert laundry list here]

No, that's a reactionary. A conservative does all those things and understands why.

9 posted on 07/11/2005 11:53:08 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Lorianne

bttt


10 posted on 07/11/2005 11:55:57 AM PDT by goonie4life9
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To: My2Cents
You are right. According to #6, everyone is either a little bit stupid or a little bit evil and therefore any means to constrain their impulses, even if only self destructive, are good and right.

A conservative says you have a Right to Life. A Libertarian agrees and takes it to the level that you are within your Rights to do things that will destroy your life. We won't stop you, but we will laugh, point, and use you as an example of what not to do. A conservative would just get a cop to shoot you or throw you in jail to "save your life".

Which on makes more sense to you?

11 posted on 07/11/2005 11:57:53 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: bayourod

Fluoride makes the top 7 in your definition of conservative? Wow...(WTF?)


12 posted on 07/11/2005 12:00:40 PM PDT by xjcsa (The Kyoto Protocol is about as futile as sending seven maids with seven mops to rid a beach of sand)
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To: Lorianne
Of course he ignored compeletely the most bogus conservative principle.

Prohibition Works!

13 posted on 07/11/2005 12:15:49 PM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: Lorianne

ping for later


14 posted on 07/11/2005 12:27:10 PM PDT by mnehring (If you don't root for the team, get out of the stadium.)
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To: Lorianne

I would suggest reading this fine speech:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/may98/goldwaterspeech.htm


15 posted on 07/11/2005 12:37:42 PM PDT by Barry Goldwater
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To: CyberCowboy777; Baynative; Libertina; cmsgop

Check this out. Perhaps worthy of a WA state ping?


16 posted on 07/11/2005 12:47:01 PM PDT by SW6906
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To: Lorianne
Some years ago I posted a Calvin Biesner review of the Politics of Prudence, one chapter of which was a restatment of his life long theme of gathering these in a well stated form. You can see that old thread HERE to read comments at that time.

Kirk has been talked about here many times over the years. His denouncment of Ideology was the first article I posted many years ago.

Kirk was the champion of tradional small "c" conservatism and while not making his name battling libertarianism, he was opposed to ideological libertaians like the Objectivists.

If we had to name two people that gave a rebirth and a firm defination to conservatism in the early 50s for Goldwater, Buckley and Reagan to spring from, it would be Russell Kirk and Richard Weaver.

17 posted on 07/11/2005 12:52:15 PM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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To: bayourod

I must be ignorant. What's the deal with fluoridation of drinking water?


18 posted on 07/11/2005 12:54:25 PM PDT by shekkian
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To: Constitution Day; IronJack; William McKinley

ping


19 posted on 07/11/2005 12:54:53 PM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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To: My2Cents

Which 7 would those be?


20 posted on 07/11/2005 1:43:31 PM PDT by Pessimist
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