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MS-13 vs. Minutemen? (Armed elements operating on American territory.)
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Posted on 07/02/2005 3:57:38 AM PDT by Happy2BMe

 

On War #113
April 21, 2005

MS-13 vs. Minutemen?

By William S. Lind

[The views expressed in this article are those of Mr. Lind, writing in his personal capacity. They do not reflect the opinions or policy positions of the Free Congress Foundation, its officers, board or employees, or those of Kettle Creek Corporation.]

One of the more hopeful signs that some life remains in the American republic is the re-emergence of Minutemen. Today’s Minutemen exist to defend us from wetbacks rather than lobsterbacks, but they are no less needed now than in the 1770s. With both political parties united in their desire to flood America with illegal immigrants, the efforts of the new Minutemen to defend our southern border are highly to be praised. Citizens acting when a corrupt government will not are signs of health in a republic; endless deference to government marks the replacement of citizens by mere subjects.

At the same time, Fourth Generation war theory cannot overlook the meaning of armed elements outside the control of the state operating on American territory. I refer here not to the Minutemen, most of whom are unarmed and whose role is to call in state forces, the Border Patrol, when they spot illegal immigrants. Rather, I am talking about a very real Fourth Generation threat, the Salvadoran gang MS-13, which reportedly has declared war on the Minutemen. According to a piece in the March 29 Washington Times,

The notorious crime syndicate Mara Salvatrucha is threatening Arizona’s Project Minuteman and reportedly plans to teach it “a lesson” . . .

It is not hard to see why Mara Salvatrucha prefers the border status quo . . . The gang grew from Salvadoran refugees in California in the late 1980s into one of the largest criminal syndicates in North America, with as many as 20,000 members . . .

If a Fourth Generation entity, which MS-13 is, has grown powerful enough to undertake military action on American soil against citizens who are helping to protect our border, then 4GW is further advanced here than many will have recognized. So far, that has not happened, and Mara Salvatrucha’s threat may be hot air. But if it does happen, it will be an act of war, strategic in nature: MS-13 needs an open border, the Minutemen threaten to close the border, so MS-13 attacks them. That is not just crime, it is war.

Yet if MS-13 does not attack the Minutemen, that too may be an act of war, and a highly sophisticated one. A common mistake that many analysts and commentators make is to think that Fourth Generation forces must replace the state or at least the government. A recent study issued by the Army War College’s Strategic Studies Institute, Street Gangs: The New Urban Insurgency by Max. G. Manwaring, illustrates this error. It says right up front, on page 2,

Although gangs and insurgents differ in terms of original motives and modes of operation, this linkage (between gangs and insurgents) infers that street gangs are a mutated form of urban insurgency. That is, these nonstate actors must eventually seize political power to guarantee the freedom of action and the commercial environment they want.

I would argue that, on the contrary, many Fourth Generation actors, not just gangs, will deliberately not take over the government or overturn the form of the state because they will benefit greatly by operating within the state, below the radar of the state’s armed forces. In effect, the hollowed-out sovereignty of the state is their best protection, especially against the armed forces of the United States or other outside powers. The current situation in Colombia provides an example. If the FARC or the drug lords took over the Colombian government, they would immediately make themselves subject to American attack or other action by the world community. Operating as they do, like viruses within the body of the state, they are protected by Colombia’s sovereignty. And they are quite capable of dealing with whatever the Colombian government itself can throw at them.

Looking at an internal threat, MS-13 in the U.S., I think the same logic applies. If MS-13 attacks the Minutemen in an act of open war, it will work against its own objectives, especially profit, by making itself a much higher profile target for the forces of the state. It serves its own strategic interests best by keeping the lowest possible profile while simultaneously expanding its real power in the areas of direct concern to itself, such as the Hispanic immigrant community.

It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall in meetings of MS-13’s leadership and hear if these arguments are actually being stated. I may overestimate their strategic sophistication. But if I am correct and they are debating these issues, that is not good news for the state in the old U.S.A. It would suggest that the state’s enemies are thinking more clearly than is the state itself, with its suicidal insistence on open borders.

William S. Lind, expressing his own personal opinion, is Director for the Center for Cultural Conservatism for the Free Congress Foundation.


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KEYWORDS: 2006; 2008; aliens; amnesty; border; borderpatrol; drugs; gang; illegalalien; minutemanproject; mmp; ms13; murder; patriot; rape
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1 posted on 07/02/2005 3:57:40 AM PDT by Happy2BMe
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To: JohnHuang2; keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; hershey; TomInNJ; dagnabbit; Pro-Bush; ...
"Hollowed Out Sovereignty" is crippling America and protectecting armed insurgents posed to rape, murder, and pillage her citizens at will.

In effect, the hollowed-out sovereignty of the state is their best protection, especially against the armed forces of the United States or other outside powers. T

2 posted on 07/02/2005 4:00:36 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Happy2BMe

Thanks for the post. Interesting.


3 posted on 07/02/2005 4:27:37 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Happy2BMe

I think the threat supposedly made by the Maras against the MM is a myth. Although it's possible they could direct violence towards the MM, I don't see the Maras going out of their way to do so.


4 posted on 07/02/2005 4:33:57 AM PDT by Ajnin (I)
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To: Happy2BMe
...defend us from wetbacks rather than lobsterbacks...

Great Line!

5 posted on 07/02/2005 4:35:09 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Happy2BMe


Bump -


6 posted on 07/02/2005 10:36:11 AM PDT by devolve (-------------------------------------------------)
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To: Happy2BMe; gubamyster; HiJinx
A radical socialist "Mechista" is now mayor of America's 2nd biggest city.

If that's not 4GW enemy infiltration, I don't know what it is.


U.S. Constitution Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.


7 posted on 07/02/2005 11:00:32 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3rdcanyon; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; ...
Click to see other threads related to illegal aliens in America
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Well...the editorial was written at the time of the original threat to the MMP, which may or may not have been valid.

Regardless, though, the ideas in the editorial are all still quite valid.

8 posted on 07/02/2005 11:59:49 AM PDT by HiJinx (Proud Dollar-a-Day Monthly Donor)
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To: HiJinx

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!


9 posted on 07/02/2005 12:26:14 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: HiJinx

BTTT


10 posted on 07/02/2005 12:34:59 PM PDT by in the Arena (CAPT (USAF) James Wayne Herrick, Jr. (Call Sign: FireFly33). MIA Laos 27 Oct 69)
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To: Travis McGee
A radical socialist "Mechista" is now mayor of America's 2nd biggest city.

Mayor Mechagairosa. I don't know anyone who actually voted for this guy. He won because voter turnout was LOW among citizens, probably high among hispanics and illegal aliens. People assumed he would win because frankly, we've been outnumbered.

11 posted on 07/02/2005 12:38:04 PM PDT by janetgreen
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I wish more Americans knew the truth about "Mayor Mecha."

"Antonio Villaraigosa (then, Tony Villar) leading a protest to include the Communist organization "Committee to Free Los Tres" on the Steering Committee of the Chicano Studies Center." --UCLA campus, May 23, 1974.

Read about how a radical socialist/communist named Tony Villar cut his hair, changed his name and became a MEChA mole HERE.

This radical was a founding member of the UCLA MEChA chapter. Their official logo is below. It sports an eagle clutching a dynamite bomb with a lit fuse. (Mecha means fuse in Spanish.) The other talon holds an Aztec sword, with razor sharp obsidian flake blades, for chopping the heads off of enemies.

The declared goal of MEChA is the creation of the "Republica del Norte," AKA "Aztlan," carved out of the Southwest USA. Tony Villar (AKA Mayor MEChA) sees himself not as an American, but as a "founding father" of a future separate "Republica del Norte."

12 posted on 07/02/2005 12:41:42 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee

I sent this to everyone in my address book, TM, whether they were in L.A. or not.


13 posted on 07/02/2005 12:50:13 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: janetgreen

I hope this country wakes up before it's too late.


14 posted on 07/02/2005 1:16:41 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee

Your post 12 is absolutely the most mind boggling I've seen. I just can't believe he's the Mayor of L.A. Where was this information during the election?


15 posted on 07/02/2005 5:16:04 PM PDT by Gracey
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To: Gracey

It was floating around the internet, but of course, the MSM wouldn't mention his history if he was Pol Pot's leading killer.


16 posted on 07/02/2005 5:43:17 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee; JohnHuang2; keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; hershey; TomInNJ; ...
#12 - the new mayor of Los Angeles, Mexico - a little history lesson.

(Thank you Travis Mcgee)

17 posted on 07/02/2005 8:29:35 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Happy2BMe; All
Crosslinked:

For "Thunder on the Border," click this picture:


18 posted on 07/03/2005 12:00:24 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trackball into the Sunset...)
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To: Travis McGee
It's already too late Travis.

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19 posted on 07/03/2005 12:11:31 AM PDT by Lurker (" Many are already stating that the decision in Kelo renders the contract null and void.")
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To: Happy2BMe; Cacique

I don't mean to be cynical, but open attacks on the Minutemen would have a a silver lining. It would do far more for getting many Americans to see the invasion aspect of immigration than any statistics could.


20 posted on 07/03/2005 12:30:02 AM PDT by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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