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Ground Zero Museum Fight Reveals Divide-(9/11 survivors protest marxist propaganda "museum")
SFGATE.COM ^ | JUNE 26, 2005 | MICHAEL WEISSENSTEIN, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 06/26/2005 7:49:36 PM PDT by CHARLITE

Rachel O'Brien has been concentrating on raising her three children since her husband was killed at the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. She hadn't given much thought to what would happen at ground zero.

But when she heard about plans for a museum that would place the attacks in the historical context of mankind's quest for freedom, she got political — joining more than 900 relatives of victims to sign a petition opposing the plan.

"I have no remains of my husband, and to me that's sacred ground," said O'Brien, 45, whose husband, Michael, worked for Cantor Fitzgerald. "That's the last place he was, and I think that the whole area should be all about what happened on that day."

The debate over the International Freedom Center museum is playing out on talk shows, opinion pages and the Web. Victims' relatives protested the museum last week at ground zero, and more than 16,000 people have signed the Internet petition condemning it.

Critics say the institution is being hijacked by left-wing advisers who blame the U.S. for the world's wrongs — and will focus on events with tenuous connection to the terrorist attacks, such as segregation in America and the Holocaust.

"I don't think that there should be anything else there but a memorial to those people," said retired New York building inspector Edmund Caviasco, 75, whose daughter, Jean De Palma, died in the trade center collapse.

George Pataki said he was demanding "an absolute guarantee" from ground zero cultural institutions that they would proceed "with total respect for the sanctity of that site."

"We're not going to let it turn into something anti-American, anti-freedom or questioning the values of New York, the values of America or the values of freedom," Pataki said.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: New York; War on Terror
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To: Congressman Billybob
"I had not realized, before I read this article, that the head of the ACLU and one other anti-American left-wing activist had wormed their way into the leadership of this museum. With "leaders"like that, the museum will be an abomination."

The most comprehensive article I've read yet happens to be on Liberal Lunacy, which you can quickly access by this link:
http://www.liberallunacy.net/

Excerpts:

"The Center will include three major cultural components that have little to do with the attack on the World Trade Center."

1. The Museum Exhibition Spaces will tell freedom's story from a liberal-left perspective."

Translation: The Marxist-left, anti-American media center

2. Educational and Cultural Center: sponsoring an extensive array of lectures, symposia, debates, films and other events in its theaters and public halls that will nurture a global conversation on freedom in our world today.

Translation: The Marxist-left propaganda forum

3. Civic Engagement Network: connecting visitors with opportunities to act in freedom's service in their own communities and around the world.

Translation: The Marxist-left network headquarters

More disturbing, the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation is handing over millions of federal dollars and the keys to that building to some of the very same people who consider the post-9/11 provisions of the Patriot Act more dangerous than the terrorists that they were enacted to apprehend.

the IFC's list of those who are shaping or influencing the content and programming for their Ground Zero exhibit includes a Who's Who of the human rights, Guantanamo-obsessed world: The driving force behind the IFC is Tom Bernstein, an activist lawyer in the human rights movement. He has been a proud member of Human Rights First since it was founded, as the Lawyers Committee for Human Rights, 27 years ago, and has served as its president for the last 12. It was Mr. Bernstein's organization, joined by the American Civil Liberties Union, that filed a lawsuit three months ago against Donald Rumsfeld on behalf of detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was Human Rights First that filed an amicus brief on behalf of alleged "dirty bomber" Jose Padilla.

NOTE: There is a link on the liberal lunacy.net site which takes you to the page for signing the petition in protest to this monstrosity, which is an affront to the victims of 9/11 and to every sincere, full-blooded American patriot among us!

21 posted on 06/26/2005 8:42:54 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: CHARLITE
Watch this space
Gondor to Open Sauron Memorial

-- Seeks to understand Orcs in historical context

Citizens of Gondor met today and decided that the ideas of their fathers that Sauron meant only slavery and tyranny and his orcs were deployed only for rapine and slaughter were too one-sided and insufficiently ironic to comprehend the subtle and complex realities of the many-faceted situation.

"There are plenty of problems with 'our side' as they call it," said one of the conferees,"After all, what was it with Elrond and his chauvinistic idea that Arwen could only marry someone who met his approval? Wasn't the whole elf-human thing basically racist?"

Other conferees maintained that the idea that Sauron was evil arose from culture specific presuppositions. "If you take the large view, you can see that Fondor cut Sauron off from economically important sea-ports. Sauron really had no other alternative as long as the (continued, section D page 34)

22 posted on 06/26/2005 8:45:46 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Allahu Fubar! (with apologies to Sheik Yerbouty))
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To: LibSnubber
"Whose "progress towards liberty and struggle for freedom" are they talking about? Ours or the friggin terrorists?

These slithering reptiles want to give the terrorists a ligitimate voice in the world. It's all about diversity and multi-culturalism, don't you know?

23 posted on 06/26/2005 8:45:49 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: Pikamax

I can not for the life of me understand what there is to debate!


24 posted on 06/26/2005 8:48:43 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops...)
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To: CHARLITE
The debate over the International Freedom Center museum is playing out on talk shows, opinion pages and the Web.

Please.
We need once again a constant reminder about what groups and financial backers are pushing this abomination.

We need names and addresses. These clowns need to know what American anger looks like.

If Saudi Arabia is even remotely connected to this it is the last straw for me.

25 posted on 06/26/2005 8:50:47 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: CHARLITE
"That's the last place he was, and I think that the whole area should be all about what happened on that day."

Then it should be a monument dedicated to VICTORY over Islamo-Facism.
26 posted on 06/26/2005 8:51:48 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: CHARLITE

Thank you. We needed that post.


27 posted on 06/26/2005 8:53:44 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Congressman Billybob
I had not realized, before I read this article, that the head of the ACLU and one other anti-American left-wing activist had wormed their way into the leadership of this museum.

Did someone say ACLU?

Roger Baldwin, the co-founder of the ACLU said: “I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately, for abolishing the state itself. … I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the properties class, and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal. I don’t regret being part of the communist tactic. I knew what I was doing. I was not an innocent liberal. I wanted what the communists wanted and I traveled the United Front road to get it.” In spite of Baldwin’s Communist leanings, President Jimmy Carter awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom on January 16, 1981.

Baldwin didn’t create the ACLU in a vacuum, he had plenty of help. A group of Communist Party officials, fellow travelers, anarchists and radicals joined Baldwin to found the ACLU in 1920.

28 posted on 06/26/2005 8:55:30 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: CHARLITE
From today's (06/26) NY Daily News, a point/counterpoint concerning the memorial:

The battle over Ground Zero By JENNIE FARRELL AGAINST the "International Freedom Center"

The battle over Ground Zero By PAULA BERRY IN FAVOR of the "International Freedom Center"

The biggest problem is trying to please EVERYONE, ALL the time. Some input, OK, but the "Dueling Factions" have gotten ridiculous, and this "IFC" idea is PURE LEFT WING CRAP!

29 posted on 06/26/2005 8:59:49 PM PDT by Former Dodger ( "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Einstein)
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To: festus
>"I know that Jimrob has a prohibition against violence in posts so I will refrain from suggesting that anyone who would desecrate the names of those who were slaughtered in that attack should be pummeled."

I also would like to join you in refraining from suggesting that anyone who would desecrate the names of those who were slaughtered in that attack should be pummeled.



ABC CBS NBC CNN its all the SAME, Propaganda.
Might as well call them all AmeriJazerra.
Show them how much Gravitas Hugh Bris has. Vote with your remote! Shut down the Alphabet channels.

He's Got A Plan
Zippo Hero
Seven Dead Monkeys Page O Tunes

30 posted on 06/26/2005 9:01:01 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("If it's brown, drink it down. If it's black send it back." Homer's guide to drinking in Springfield)
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To: Paul Atreides
Anti-Americans have infiltrated the arts, academia, the entertainment industry, the media, etc. This was inevitable.

It wasn't inevitable. We could have stopped them long ago.

31 posted on 06/26/2005 9:05:37 PM PDT by Pelayo
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To: Congressman Billybob
Is the theme of this abomination of a museum set and final?
32 posted on 06/26/2005 9:06:41 PM PDT by Humal
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To: LibSnubber
http://www.takebackthememorial.com/

Freeped!!!
addin to my sig line!

ABC CBS NBC CNN its all the SAME, Propaganda.
Might as well call them all AmeriJazerra.
Show them how much Gravitas Hugh Bris has. Vote with your remote! Shut down the Alphabet channels.

He's Got A Plan
Zippo Hero
Seven Dead Monkeys Page O Tunes

http://www.takebackthememorial.com/

33 posted on 06/26/2005 9:16:42 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("If it's brown, drink it down. If it's black send it back." Homer's guide to drinking in Springfield)
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To: CHARLITE

The only thing in the memorial should be a series of monitors replaying that morning's TV coverage in an endless loop. Including the cheering Palestinians..


34 posted on 06/26/2005 9:16:44 PM PDT by HolgerDansk ("Oh Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round.)
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To: CHARLITE
But academic advisers to the museum - who include the heads of the American Civil Liberties Union and Human Rights First - envision something more complex and potentially controversial.

Uh-oh.

Who let the commies into this?

35 posted on 06/26/2005 9:19:28 PM PDT by upchuck (If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Publius6961

Grrr. This stuff makes my blood boil. Communism, the most blood-stained ideology the world has ever known, evokes no response of revulsion by these people who describe it in such glowing terms.

And folks...the Democratic party and Hillary Clinton are in bed with them. We had better wake up.


36 posted on 06/26/2005 9:27:52 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: HolgerDansk

I'm with you on this.


37 posted on 06/26/2005 9:29:00 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: rawcatslyentist
"Freeped!!! addin to my sig line!"

Awesome! They said they already have over 18,000 signatures. They deserve to get a hell of a lot more than that and hope they do. What the IFC "people" are doing is nothing short of an abomination.

From the http://www.takebackthememorial.com/ website:

"A soaring structure should dominate the site, taking its place along New York City's wonderful skyline. It should be visible for miles to demonstrate the spirit of those who gave their lives to defend freedom. There should be a museum and a library. Those who visit should be able to relive the experience in a way that does justice to the enormity of the events...Done correctly, the memorial at ground zero will commemorate the horror and the heroism of Sept. 11." - Rudy Giuliani

38 posted on 06/26/2005 9:30:53 PM PDT by LibSnubber (liberal democrats are domestic terrorists)
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To: CHARLITE
This so called museum can not be built on that ground . NO NO NO NO NO...

I just heard this on the radio this morning.

Sign me up for the fight.

39 posted on 06/26/2005 9:32:14 PM PDT by Deetes (God Bless the Troops and their Family's)
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To: festus
"Fareed Zakaria,

Sounds like your average southern baptist I'm guessing
"

If I'm not mistaken, that is the sanctimonious leftie analyst opposite George Will on the Little Lord Stephy show Sunday mornings....
40 posted on 06/26/2005 9:33:45 PM PDT by rockrr (Gregorovych Nyet!)
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