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To: photodawg
And once again you answer my question with another question. The problem is that you know I am right, and that is why you do not answer the question. I am going to try to answer some of your questions.

"What happens to America if all the states leave the union?"

Answer: This is a hypothetical question. I would only be guessing just like you would be?

"Why do they call it a union?"

Answer: When you say "IT" do you mean the USA? A union can be between two states or fifty. If 13 states leave, there is still a Union. It is just by less states.

"What happened to the American citizens in the states that left the union if they didn't want their state to secede?"

Answer: They can always move. As individuals we can decide if we want to stay somewhere or not. You just have to weigh how important it is to you.

"What union, what government, could exist when any state was free to leave the union whenever they didn't like a properly, legally arrived at decision? "

Answer: If they are willing to leave, then it is a weak Union.

"Would that mean that individual citizens would be free to leave the government and become independent whenever they didn't like a decision. "


Answer: No, but they will be free to leave the State if they would like. That is what free societies do. They do not put up walls to keep you in like Communist.


The Godfather comparison is to give you an analogy of what you are supporting. Please specifically tell me how it's off base? In the movie no one could ever leave the family without bloodshed.

You ever hear of the K.I.S.S analogy? I think its very effective and that is why I use it. I am not here to impress you with words, but to debate you on a subject. K.I.S.S. stands for Keep It Simple Stupid. I keep it simple since you cannot see the obvious.
213 posted on 06/30/2005 8:43:40 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Sprite518
No, I was using the K.I.S.S. dictum when I originally asked "What happens if all the states left the Union. " You still don't seem to be able to come to terms with that question. Actually ,the only question my original post asked. KISS.......If one state is permitted to leave the union, then all states could leave. If all states left, or even a large portion of them, then the nation would cease to exist as a Sovereign nation. That is why, in principle, the constitution could never provide for secession as part of the document and obviously wouldn't have any relevancy to resolving the secession dilemma. As soon as a state seceded it would no longer be part of this sovereign nation, and therefore the constitution would not apply to it.
215 posted on 06/30/2005 10:59:02 AM PDT by photodawg
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To: Sprite518

" residents of seceeding states could always move..."


Could slaves move?


216 posted on 06/30/2005 11:01:18 AM PDT by photodawg
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To: Sprite518
" if they are willing to leave then it is a weak union"

Willing is the wrong verb choice. If they leave then there is NO UNION.
217 posted on 06/30/2005 11:09:08 AM PDT by photodawg
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To: Sprite518
"they will be free to leave the state..."

the government I was referring to was the federal government. If a state can secede from the union then so can an individual. If I don't agree with the laws of the U.S government then I just secede from the union......just like the southern states did. By the way, those states didn't move anywhere, they stayed right where they were. What you are advocating is not freedom, its anarchy. You belong with Thoreau on Walden pond somewhere. I believe in individual rights and following your heart, but when you do that and oppose the laws of your government, you must pay the penalty, just like Muhammad Ali did when he defied the Draft Laws. He didn't run to Canada, he went to jail. He was an American and prized his freedom, but respected his country's laws and paid a huge financial, and emotional price for his individual beliefs.
218 posted on 06/30/2005 11:22:59 AM PDT by photodawg
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