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Break in the Gang of 14: Pryor flatly contradicts Graham and DeWine: what it might mean?..FILABUSTER
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Posted on 06/24/2005 11:26:15 AM PDT by ken5050

I thought this was worth bringing to everyone's attention. First, a brief history. You'll recall the media PR orgy after the Senate gang of 14 signed the compromise. Then a day later, in response to tremendous pressure, Graham and DeWine BOTH said that if the Dems filabustered, the nuclear option was back on the table, and they would both support it. Reid said several times that in his view, the NO was gone forever, while Frist said it remained viable, and he would NOT hesitate to use it. Yesterday, the hard left Dems, Schumer, Leahy, and Kennedy went on at length in the Senate..blustering, threatening, trying to shape the battlefield in obvious anticipation of a retirement and nomination next week. Just a.....


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short while ago, Mark Pryor of Arkansas, one of the Dem signatories, made a speech in the Senate about the agreement. He said it was based upon mutual trust; they had all looked into each other's eyes during the negotiations ( there's a weird image for ya) they each knew individually what "extraordinary circumstances" meant, and..( here's the important point) Pryor said that "...in his opinion, the agreement means that the nuclear option is off the table..."

Now why would he say this, just before the weekend? He's the first Dem compromiser to make a statement like this.

Only one possible reason comes to mind. He's been told that the Dems are going to filabuster, to force the GOP to use the nuclear option. The Dems are going to try to run on the GOP being unfair to the minority, changing the rules, and they will try and gum up the Senate..Pryor was trying, feebly, to stake out his position in advance.

Even though the hearing will be long and arduous, it's important to remember that marking out the territory early will be important.

Rehnquist, and/or O'Connor will retire, and the next day Bush will announce his nominee. Look for all 55 GOP senators to say that of course they'll wait to see what happens in the hearings, but they fully expect to support and vote for the nominee. The usual. Which means that the Dem will have to counter the public perception of approval, that it's a done deal; by announcing that the nominee is the worst possible thing ever that W could have done.

The hearings then become kabuki theater, and it's a question of how long Specter lets them run, and then how long Frist lets the circus go in the Senate before asking for cloture, whiuch will fail.

The rules change will then be invoked, with Graham and DeWine initiating it, in an attempt to gain some degree of expiation with the GOP base. So look for all the other GOP signers, including McCain, to support Frist. So the Dems will want a solid party line in opposition.

They will attempt to make the case NOT about the merits of the nominee, rather about how "bad and unfair the GOP is."

Pryor's comments today have made than crystal clear. Gonna be a fun summer for us political junkies......

1 posted on 06/24/2005 11:26:15 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: OXENinFLA

FYI


2 posted on 06/24/2005 11:26:35 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: ken5050

Can we really trust McCain to do that, though? Let me say that I trust DeWine and Graham far more than I do McCain...


3 posted on 06/24/2005 11:30:06 AM PDT by okstate
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To: ken5050

Thanks for the info, Ken. Now, explain this to me if you know: why is there so much print and why are so many in Washington (presumably) so convinced of a SCOTUS retirement? Surely, the justice(s) would not have leaked a word of it, nor would the White House. What's going on? Is this just speculation run amok? Regards,Kate.


4 posted on 06/24/2005 11:30:19 AM PDT by katieanna
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To: ken5050

I hope that what you say turns out to be true. The Repubs should have gone nuclear, er, constitutional the first time.


5 posted on 06/24/2005 11:31:20 AM PDT by kesg
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To: ken5050; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; Howlin; Brad's Gramma; onyx; Mo1

Oh BOY!


6 posted on 06/24/2005 11:31:46 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: ken5050
I hope you're right, Ken. But I have a bad feeling McCain and his toady Graham will let Frist twist in the wind a while longer.
7 posted on 06/24/2005 11:36:02 AM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: okstate

McCain wants to be president..he's gonna hang himself out as the only Pubbie NOT supporting Frist...I expect the Pigeon sisters to go along..even Chaffee. Warner will definitely be with Frist the next time..


8 posted on 06/24/2005 11:36:04 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: okstate

I wouldn't say I have trust of DeWine or Graham.

Rather, if anything spurred them to do the RIGHT thing it would be a need to save their political hides from the fallout of the base.

DeWine's re-election is very shaky, and he doesn't even have a challenger in the primary yet. Graham does have a challenger, one well funded that finished second in the '04 Senatorial primary.

McCain isn't going to sell out his base- the MSM.


9 posted on 06/24/2005 11:36:12 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: katieanna

Yes, it's speculation..but it makes a lot of sense..The CJ and others, are old, tired, some have medical issues..better to go out, with dignity, at the end of the term, on your own terms, rather than at the whim of your doctors...The SC justices are also political creatures..everything is all about politics..


10 posted on 06/24/2005 11:38:22 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: Soul Seeker

MSM doesn't vote in the GOP primaries..


11 posted on 06/24/2005 11:39:04 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: ken5050
Here's my latest email to sinatraitor gRaham.:

If I remember correctly you said that if the Dems filibustered, the nuclear option was back on the table, and you would support it. Sen Mark Pryor of Arkansas said that "...in his opinion, the agreement means that the nuclear option is off the table..." Senator Graham, were you lying about the agreement, or is he lying about the agreemen? If you are lying, well I'm not surprised. If Sen Pryor is lying, you made an agreement with someone who couldn't be trusted. In either case you have done a very poor job of representing the people of SC. Maybe though you are trying to represent the liberals of NY, or trying to curry favor with the perky Katie Couric. You have time to speak with her, but not repond to your constituents. And now I see you are backtracking on your support of the war on terror. If you thinkpublic support is waning then get out there and make the case why it is necessary. Of course public opinion of your constituents didn't matter when it came to selling out the president and the country on judicial nominees. I'll never forget.

12 posted on 06/24/2005 11:39:08 AM PDT by feedback doctor (If you won't love the least of people, then you can't love any people)
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To: Soul Seeker; ken5050
Well I trust DeWine and Graham more than McCain. But we still have enough votes if Warner, DeWine, and Graham all stay with Frist even if McCain, Collins, Snowe, and Chaffee desert. That even allows us unexpected trouble coming from, say, Specter.
13 posted on 06/24/2005 11:40:37 AM PDT by okstate
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To: ken5050

McCain's base-his constituency-IS the MSM.

No, they don't vote, but it is to THEM McCain is deferential. It is to THEM he structures every action, including CFR.


14 posted on 06/24/2005 11:41:00 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: okstate
"Let me say that I trust DeWine and Graham far more than I do McCain"

Let me say that I trust Robert Byrd (KKK-WV) more than I trust McCain, DeWine and Graham.
15 posted on 06/24/2005 11:42:07 AM PDT by Bar-Face (Impeach John Paul Stevens, Anthony Kennedy, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Interesting post, but no way McCain goes along with Frist. McCain will be on every talk show bashing the Republicans (as usual). Whenever and wherever there is a TV camera and an opportunity to bash a Republican and/or say something nice about Hillary Clinton or some other socialist, there you will find McCain. He knows he can never win GOP nomination so his siding with the Democrats on this will be his first step toward an INDEPENDANT run for President. Remember Ross Perot who gave a President with only 42% popular vote after he cut a deal with Clinton. Don't think McCain hasn't cut a similar deal with Hillary. Look for Secretary of State McCain under a Hillary Clinton 42% presidency!
16 posted on 06/24/2005 11:42:31 AM PDT by jedgarlives (Don't think it can't happen!!)
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To: Bar-Face

Byrd is a 50-50 chance.

He doesn't even know what's going on around him anymore, so maybe we'll get lucky and he'll hit the "yes" button.


17 posted on 06/24/2005 11:43:49 AM PDT by okstate
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To: colorado tanker

bull... i trust spector the least and he's the one that is going to let this meander into a political hot potato for a while to come... he's got cancer, he just won, what i believe to be his last senatorial race, he's got nothing to lose and his emerging liberalism is starting to show... essentially, he's convieniently forgotten where his bread was buttered...

mccain is a loose cannon that has moments of lucidity from time to time... he's harmless as a senator and more of a populist for leftists to glom onto and call an independant centrist... the whole thing is a sham...


18 posted on 06/24/2005 11:44:47 AM PDT by Methadras
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To: okstate

LOL!!!

There you go! That's positive thinking. :-)


19 posted on 06/24/2005 11:45:08 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Methadras

I think Specter voted for Pryor, Rogers Brown, and Owen, though.

Can't say the same for the Northeastern RINOs.


20 posted on 06/24/2005 11:46:13 AM PDT by okstate
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