Posted on 06/23/2005 1:45:19 PM PDT by seamus
"It’s outrageous that the same Democrats who stood by Dick Durbin’s libeling of our military are now expressing faux outrage over Karl Rove’s statement of historical fact. George Soros, Michael Moore, MoveOn and the hard left were wrong after 9/11, just as it was wrong for Democrat leaders to stand by and remain silent after Dick Durbin made his deplorable comments.”
- RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman
Liberal Third Party Groups Urged Restraint, Blamed America:
Immediately After 9/11, MoveOn.Org Petition Urged “Moderation And Restraint” And Use Of “International Judicial Institutions.”
• “We, The Undersigned, Citizens And Residents Of The United States Of America … Appeal To The President Of The United States, George W. Bush … And To All Leaders Internationally To Use Moderation And Restraint In Responding To The Recent Terrorist Attacks Against The United States.” (MoveOn.Org Website, “MoveOn Peace,” http://web.archive.org/web/20021127190638/peace.moveon.org/petition.php3, Posted 9/13/01, Accessed 6/23/05)
• “We Implore The Powers That Be To Use, Wherever Possible, International Judicial Institutions And International Human Rights Law To Bring To Justice Those Responsible For The Attacks, Rather Than The Instruments Of War, Violence Or Destruction.” (MoveOn.Org Website, “MoveOn Peace,” http://web.archive.org/web/20021127190638/peace.moveon.org/petition.php3, Posted 9/13/01, Accessed 6/23/05)
• “[W]e Demand That There Be No Recourse To Nuclear, Chemical Or Biological Weapons, Or Any Weapons Of Indiscriminate Destruction, And Feel That It Is Our Inalienable Human Right To Live In A World Free Of Such Arms.” (MoveOn.Org Website, “MoveOn Peace,” http://web.archive.org/web/20021127190638/peace.moveon.org/petition.php3, Posted 9/13/01, Accessed 6/23/05)
Just After 9/11, Liberal Filmmaker Michael Moore Derided “Terror And Bloodshed” Committed By Americans. (David Brooks, Op-Ed, “All Hail Moore,” The New York Times, 6/26/04)
• Just After 9/11, Moore Blamed America’s “Taxpayer-Funded Terrorism” And Bush Administration For Terrorist Attacks. “We abhor terrorism – unless we’re the ones doing the terrorizing. We paid and trained and armed a group of terrorists in Nicaragua in the 1980s who killed over 30,000 civilians. That was OUR work. You and me.…Let’s mourn, let’s grieve, and when it’s appropriate let’s examine our contribution to the unsafe world we live in.” (Michael Moore Website Archive, “Death, Downtown,” Posted 9/12/01, www.michaelmoore.com, Accessed 7/27/04)
• Michael Moore Said U.S. Should Not Have Removed Taliban After 9/11. Moore: “Likewise, to bomb Afghanistan – I mean, I’ve never understood this, Tim.” (CNBC’s “Tim Russert,” 10/19/02)
Liberal Donor George Soros Claimed America Should Have Treated 9/11 Attacks As Crime, Responded With Police Work. “War is a false and misleading metaphor in the context of combating terrorism. Treating the attacks of September 11 as crimes against humanity would have been more appropriate. Crimes require police work, not military action. To protect against terrorism, you need precautionary measures, awareness, and intelligence gathering – all of which ultimately depend on the support of the populations among which terrorists operate. Imagine for a moment that September 11 had been treated as a crime. We would have pursued Bin Laden in Afghanistan, but we would not have invaded Iraq. Nor would we have our military struggling to perform police work in full combat gear and getting killed in the process.” (George Soros, The Bubble Of American Supremacy, 2004, p. 18)
• Soros Said The Execution Of 9/11 Attacks “Could Not Have Been More Spectacular.” “Admittedly, the terrorist attack was a historic event in its own right. Hijacking fully loaded airplanes and using them as suicide bombs was an audacious idea, and the execution could not have been more spectacular.” (George Soros, The Bubble Of American Supremacy, 2004, p. 2)
• Soros Said War On Terror Had Claimed More Innocent Victims Than 9/11 Attack Itself. “This is a very tough thing to say, but the fact is, that the war on terror as conducted by this administration, has claimed more innocent victims that the original attack itself.” (George Soros, Remarks At Take Back America Conference, Washington, DC, 6/3/04)
Liberal Democrats Urged Restraint, Blamed America:
Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH): “‘The Time For Peace Is Now,’ [Kucinich] Declared Optimistically July 11, Two Months To The Day Before Terrorists Hit The Pentagon And The World Trade Center. … Sitting In His Capitol Hill Office Last Week, Near A Window Where He Could See The Smoke Rising From The Pentagon On Sept. 11, Kucinich Insisted He Is More Optimistic Than Ever That People Worldwide Are Ready To Embrace The Cause Of Nonviolence.” (Elizabeth Auster, “Offer The Hand Of Peace,” [Cleveland, OH] Plain Dealer, 9/30/01)
• Kucinich: “Afghanistan May Be An Incubator Of Terrorism But It Doesn’t Follow That We Bomb Afghanistan …” (Elizabeth Auster, “Offer The Hand Of Peace,” [Cleveland, OH] Plain Dealer, 9/30/01)
Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-HI): “Only Now Are We Trying To Figure Out What Is Islam. Maybe If There Was A Department Of Peace, They Would Be Able To Say, ‘Uh-Oh, We’ve Got Some Problems With These People,’ … I Truly Believe That If We Had A Department Of Peace, We Would Have Seen [9/11] Coming.” (Ethan Wallison, “War A Challenge For Peace Caucus,” Roll Call, 10/1/01)
Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA): “I Am Convinced That Military Action Will Not Prevent Further Acts Of International Terrorism Against The United States.” (Eddy Ramirez, “Calif. Congresswoman Alone In Vote Against War Powers Resolution,” [University Of California-Berkeley] Daily Californian, 9/17/01)
Al Sharpton (D-NY) Said That The Attacks On The World Trade Center Are Evidence That “America Is Beginning To Reap What It Has Sown.” (Adam Nagourney, “Say It Loud,” The New York Times, 12/1/02)
Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH) Claimed Osama Bin Laden Could Be Compared To “Revolutionaries That Helped To Cast Off The British Crown.” “‘One could say that Osama bin Laden and these non-nation-state fighters with religious purpose are very similar to those kind of atypical revolutionaries that helped to cast off the British crown,’ Kaptur told an Ohio newspaper, The (Toledo) Blade.” (Malie Rulon, “Lawmaker Compares Osama, U.S. Patriots,” The Associated Press, 3/6/03)
Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) Said The United States Would “Pay Every Single Hour, Ever Single Day” That Bombs Were Dropped In Afghanistan. “‘How much longer does the bombing campaign continue?’ Biden asked during an Oct. 22 speech at the Council on Foreign Relations. ‘We’re going to pay every single hour, every single day it continues.’” (Miles A. Pomper, "Building Anti-Terrorism Coalition Vaults Ahead Of Other Priorities," Congressional Quarterly Weekly, 10/26/01)
• “The Bombing Campaign, [Biden] Said, Reinforced Existing Stereotypes Of The United States As A ‘High-Tech Bully …’” (Miles A. Pomper, "Building Anti-Terrorism Coalition Vaults Ahead Of Other Priorities," Congressional Quarterly Weekly, 10/26/01)
Gov. Howard Dean (D-VT) Said Osama Bin Laden Not Guilty. Dean: “I Still Have This Old-Fashioned Notion That Even With People Like Osama, Who Is Very Likely To Be Found Guilty, We Should Do Our Best Not To, In Positions Of Executive Power, Not To Prejudge Jury Trials.” (“Dean Not Ready To Pronounce Osama Bin Laden Guilty,” The Associated Press, 12/26/03)
Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) To High School Students: “How Would [Muslims] Look At Us Today If We Had Been There Helping Them With Some Of That Rather Than Just Being The People Who Are Going To Bomb In Iraq And Go To Afghanistan? … War Is Expensive Too … Your Generation Ought To Be Thinking About Whether We Should Be Better Neighbors Out In Other Countries So That They Have A Different Vision Of Us.” (Gregg Herrington, “Senator Asks Students To Ponder,” The [Vancouver, WA] Columbian, 12/19/02)
Sen. John Kerry (D-MA): “[W]ar On Terror Is Far Less Of A Military Operation And Far More Of An Intelligence-Gathering, Law-Enforcement Operation.” (The Iowa Brown & Black Coalition Presidential Forum, Des Moines, IA, 1/11/04)
• Kerry: “[W]hat We’ve Learned Is That The War On Terror Is Much More Of An Intelligence Operation And A Law Enforcement Operation.” (NPR’s “All Things Considered,” 3/19/03)
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Yah, it seems that most Republicans have united over this. Was a talking points memo distributed? LOL
Slight correction- Republican take it to the Queen
Slighter correction-- RINO take it to the Queen
It would seem that way, but if so, it amazes me it didn't get leaked to the Dems by the RINO's. maybe personal calls to select members like Pataki? Pataki really isn't a sell out to the Party the way McCain is so he could probably be trusted not to let it be known in advance.
No, Pataki isn't a RINO.
Liberal, perhaps, but not a RINO. A RINO is Chafee...McCain. Someone that is a member of the party for elective purposes and no other.
One can be a Liberal Republican, or a conservative Democrat, in theory.
" So, Rove thinks we're all a bunch of wimped out...paisley wearing granola crunching peacniks? Come on to my house Karl baby...one step onto my porch your candy ass will have 3 German Shepherds on it. IF you can get thru them, you'll meet ME with my 9m pointed straight at you with one hand, while the other is calling the cops to come bust you for trespassing, you scum sucking piece of sh*t. Sorry. I am quite the pacifist in most cases, but this guy I just really really cannot stand. The world would be much better off if his mother had gotten an abortion."
Did this poster not just PROVE Rove's point? They've got an intruder on their front porch (who's gotten past three German Shepherds, mind you), and they're going to call the cops and bust him for trespassing???
That's exactly how Rove said they'd react to terrorists. What idiots. LOL
Damn well said!
ok ok... in any case, you're right I shouldn't call Pataki a RINO today after a bite like that!
He obviously did not see a defamation campaign starting against him and our troops, by the Dems and their faux media.
First off one can talk about both things - But more importantly it was incredibly foolish if the WH didn't think the MSM and DEM's were going to continue to run down our Iraq success -
Additionally the PR machines out of the WH, Congress and the Senate (not to mention the RNC itself) are much more powerful than simply expecting it all to fall on President GWB shoulders!
The PR machine of all those listed above has a tremendous amount of power - Yet they have sat by and done nothing! And it seems like when any of the GOP'ers to speak they come off like half-fools when discussing the GWOT (which includes Iraq!) - Our amazing success (and continued success) in the GWOT should not be so hard to defend! - Yet the PR machines out of the WH, Congress and the Senate have sat back and allowed a new lying premise to be reestablished that Iraq is a mess!
Our soldiers who are told to fight 24/7 deserve much better out of the WH and RNC! - They deserve to know the WH and RNC is setting the record straight back here at home! - and for the past six months they have not been doing it with any intensity!
Good catch!!
If Rove should resign as Laut(enberg) demands, Then does this mean Turbin durbin is going to resign. At least what Rove said is the TRUTH.
As I have been saying for a year.
I will be contacting Sen. Corzine and Pretend-ator Laughing-berg. I called them re: Durbin's comments and their support for Durbin. The couldn't wait though, to flap their useless mouths against Rove. If the citizens of NJ are fortunate Corzine and Lautenberg will croak by tomorrow sun-up. I won't hold my breath.
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Ohio donations are down for Republicans in the state per Chairman. I just want to congratulate Ohio citizens for cutting the funding to the Party there in response to Voinovich and DeWine.
{DOWN GOES FRAZIER! DOWN GOES FRAZIER! DOWN GOES FRAZIER!}
ROTFLMAO!!!!
OT-- Moonbat Kucinich on the House floor
I thought Rove was only pointing out the philosophical differences between liberals and conservatives. The Dimwits, who never admit to being, or want to be called, liberals couldn't wait for the dust to settle before jumping nasty with Rove.
Reid, Shcoooooooomer, Lautenberg, and The World's Smartest Woman let their slips show, today, and gave us all a glimpse of the desperation to which they have sank.
Time to let them stew in their own juices and bounce Durbin's comments right back to their side of the court every time they mention Karl Rove apologizing or resigning.
Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers. In the wake of 9/11, conservatives believed it was time to unleash the might and power of the United States military against the Taliban; in the wake of 9/11, liberals believed it was time to… submit a petition. I am not joking. Submitting a petition is precisely what Moveon.org did. It was a petition imploring the powers that be” to “use moderation and restraint in responding to the… terrorist attacks against the United States.”
The phrase "for our attackers" is different than "to our attackers". The phrase could easily mean they wanted to offer therapy, AND offer understanding FOR our attackers. Meaning to make US understand why our attackers did what they did.
It is absolutely the case that liberals, after 9/11, offered reasons (excuses) about why people hated us, how it was our fault, and how we should have understanding of their plight, and take the opportunity to reach out to them and prove we weren't their enemy.
Here's more comparisons he made: Conservatives saw what happened to us on 9/11 and said: we will defeat our enemies. Liberals saw what happened to us and said: we must understand our enemies. Conservatives see the United States as a great nation engaged in a noble cause; liberals see the United States and they see … Nazi concentration camps, Soviet gulags, and the killing fields of Cambodia.
Nowhere in his "prepared" remarks did he use "democrats" in his conservative/liberal comparisons. I suppose it is possible that in his actual speech he accidentally said "democrats" once when he meant to say liberals, but I don't have the audio.
QUESTION: Aren't Hillary! and John Kerry admitting to the world that they consider themselves "liberals" since they are demanding an apology? Didn't Karl Rove say "liberals" and NOT "Democrats?"
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