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US Church Leaders Justify Ordination of Gay Bishop
The Times of London ^ | June 20, 2005 | Ruth Gledhill

Posted on 06/20/2005 4:26:46 PM PDT by kerrywearsbotox

ANGLICAN leaders will hear for the first time tomorrow a theological justification by the heads of the Canadian and American churches for their actions over homosexuals, which have brought the Anglican community to the brink of schism.

The Primate of the US Anglican Church, the Most Rev Frank Griswold, will deliver a report to a meeting in Nottingham on why it was right to ordain the openly gay Gene Robinson as Bishop of New Hampshire. The Canadian Primate, the Archbishop of Montreal, the Most Rev Andrew Hutchison, will also lead a delegation to explain the actions of the New Westminster Diocese in authorising same-sex blessings.

The US report, To Set Our Hope on Christ, has been prepared by the liberal theologian Mark Mcintosh, of Loyola University, Chicago, and others. Although the Americans have expressed regret for the effects of their actions, they have not expressed repentance and are not expected to do so.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: New Hampshire; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: apostate; ecusa; elca; episcopalchurch; filthyqueer; generobinson; homosexualagenda; homosexualbishop; homosexuality; religiousleft; ucc
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Doctor McIntosh does not provide proper -- e.g. traditional, historical exegesis, as have rabbis and church fathers in Christianity for 2000 years -- on the following scripture, concerning sodomy and homosexuality, which, as a scholar, he has a duty to report:

Romans 1:26

Genesis 19

Ezekiel 16:49

Judges 19

1 Samuel 18, 1 Samuel 20

I have not even mentioned Leviticus.

Perhaps sin is too "last millennium" for him? Whatever the case may be, it is bad scholarship, and even worse pastoral work. What's next for him? A report about how adultery is okay, per the bible? I'm sure he can come up with inventive exegesis for that -- which can twist the words of scripture to mean the exact opposite of what actually do mean.

e-mail the dean of the theology faculty to complain about his fraudulent report on homosexuality and the church, jmccar1@luc.edu

1 posted on 06/20/2005 4:26:46 PM PDT by kerrywearsbotox
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To: kerrywearsbotox

Not even Fred Astaire was that great of a tap dancer.


2 posted on 06/20/2005 4:29:28 PM PDT by CO Gal (Liberals should be seen, but not heard..)
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3 posted on 06/20/2005 4:30:08 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: CO Gal

I'd laugh, were it not so sad.....


4 posted on 06/20/2005 4:30:19 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: kerrywearsbotox

Do they have to drag God into this too?


5 posted on 06/20/2005 4:30:51 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: sionnsar

FYI..The Times of London's take ..


6 posted on 06/20/2005 4:33:07 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: kerrywearsbotox

It is amazing to me, that even if Leviticus 18:22 meant nothing to them, that they would still move ahead with ordaining a sodomite with the full knowledge that it would provoke an all-out schism, not only with the worldwide communion, but also within the US itself. That act strikes me as a deliberate one with no other conceivable aim but to destroy the church.


7 posted on 06/20/2005 4:34:11 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government)
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To: kerrywearsbotox

Next week: theological justification of murder, adultery, stealing, and idolatry!


9 posted on 06/20/2005 4:41:23 PM PDT by Luddite Patent Counsel (Theyre digging through all of your files, stealing back your best ideas.)
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To: ahadams2; Agrarian; coffeecup; Paridel; keilimon; Hermann the Cherusker; wagglebee; ...
Traditional Anglican ping, continued in memory of its founder Arlin Adams.

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Speak the truth in love. Eph 4:15


[ Nothing particularly new here, but the British press certainly has the meeting teed up for tomorrow.--newheart]

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10 posted on 06/20/2005 4:43:22 PM PDT by newheart (The Truth? You can't handle the Truth. But He can handle you.)
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To: newheart

Yawn. Wonder what's on TV tonight?


11 posted on 06/20/2005 4:44:59 PM PDT by Agrarian
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To: kerrywearsbotox

Ought to be renamed 'The Hershey Highway First Pederastic Church'


12 posted on 06/20/2005 4:51:46 PM PDT by Armigerous ( Non permitte illegitimi te carborundum- "Don't let the bastards grind you down")
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To: newheart

You're what..7-8 hours behind them....you'll wake up with the news, and the first headlines...


13 posted on 06/20/2005 4:55:41 PM PDT by ken5050
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"You're what..7-8 hours behind them....you'll wake up with the news, and the first headlines..."

Yup. Of course it remains to be seen if there will be any real headlines. Probably as Agrarian put it, "Yawn."

Sorry to be so cynical, but after the ABC's speechifying (stupefying?) attempt at bringing everyone together, I'm just a bit pessimistic. In fact, at this point I think what I would like most to happen is for the Nigerians to simply walk out and tell the ACC and the ECUSA to go to hell. Or rather, stay there.


14 posted on 06/20/2005 5:01:22 PM PDT by newheart (The Truth? You can't handle the Truth. But He can handle you.)
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To: kerrywearsbotox

Unfortunately, them being Episcopalians, it will be a whole lot of mush-speak which properly translated will mean: Because we said so, nyah, nyah, nyah!


15 posted on 06/20/2005 5:03:44 PM PDT by jocon307 (Can we close the border NOW?)
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To: newheart

A couple of questions for the Anglicans. What happens in the Anglican church if a priest gets divorced? Are there other divorced bishops?


17 posted on 06/20/2005 5:13:03 PM PDT by sharkhawk
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To: kerrywearsbotox; sionnsar; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; ...
Doctor McIntosh does not provide proper -- e.g. traditional, historical exegesis, as have rabbis and church fathers in Christianity for 2000 years -- on the following scripture, concerning sodomy and homosexuality, which, as a scholar, he has a duty to report:

Because he can't and so he won't. The Catholic Church, on the other hand, has taken a strong stance against homosexual unions.

Homosexual "Marriage"

True marriage is the union of one man and one woman. Legal recognition of any other union as "marriage" undermines true marriage, and legal recognition of homosexual unions actually does homosexual persons a disfavor by encouraging them to persist in what is an objectively immoral arrangement.

"When legislation in favor of the recognition of homosexual unions is proposed for the first time in a legislative assembly, the Catholic lawmaker has a moral duty to express his opposition clearly and publicly and to vote against it. To vote in favor of a law so harmful to the common good is gravely immoral" (UHP 10).
UHP Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Considerations regarding Proposals to Give Legal Recognition to Unions between Homosexual Persons

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18 posted on 06/20/2005 5:13:52 PM PDT by NYer ("Each person is meant to exist. Each person is God's own idea." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: jocon307

a reading from the book of scott & stevie, chapter 4 verse 14:
And lo it seemed good to you that we not sniff the pickle, but in our hearts and minds we did thusly. And we spoke boldly therefore of the pickle that we had in fact, sniffed and proclaimed in not sin, but the narrow-minded heathen, bigoted and self -righteous amongst the crowds hurled thy injurious epithets and didst made us cry. Therefore we made prayer and supplication unto our god, phallus, and we realized, we too, could be ordained episcopalian priests and wear long flowing robes of silk and velvet and ooh, we were verklempt. Praise be!


19 posted on 06/20/2005 5:14:42 PM PDT by pipecorp (PC just plain monicas!)
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To: ken5050

Yup. Posted it yesterday. *\;-)


20 posted on 06/20/2005 5:16:12 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Iran Azadi || (Airbus A380)^: The BIG PIG)
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