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An Autopsy Won't End It - (John Leo on the hypocrisy of Michael Schaivo and George Felos)
US NEWS.COM ^ | JUNE 27, 2005 | JOHN LEO

Posted on 06/19/2005 8:19:40 PM PDT by CHARLITE

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To: dennisw

Geez. You forgot communist, socialist, and baby eater.


181 posted on 06/21/2005 7:30:26 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
The State ordered her death? Wow! That's series!

Actually, it was a statement by Felos. He said that the State had ordered the feeding tube removed and MS couldn't stop it if he wanted to. There was a huge brouhaha on FR. Don't you remember?

182 posted on 06/21/2005 7:33:42 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: veronica

Your comment was off-topic, something that also happens every day at FR, and at other forums as well.


183 posted on 06/21/2005 7:34:09 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: veronica; dennisw

You believe that ignorant POS? Figures.


184 posted on 06/21/2005 7:35:22 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

It's off-topic to comment on what the lounge lizard put on her headstone?


185 posted on 06/21/2005 7:35:56 AM PDT by veronica (Mimes and clowns are weird...)
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To: robertpaulsen

Two issues were involved. 1) was she PVS and 2) was there clear and compelling evidence that she wanted her life ended. With regard to the second, we have to ask about the sufficiency of the statute and whether the judge properly applied it. With regard to the first, we have to ask about the definition of PVS and whether doctors properly diagnosed her. IMHO, the statute gives the trial judge too much discretion. He jumped through all the right judicial hoops and therefore the judge-club could do nothing but circle the wagons to guard THEIR rights. So far as PVS is concerned, it is at best a term of art and the facts are as open to multiple interpretation as the number of doctors who can be brought in, on a par with a psychiatric diagnosis.


186 posted on 06/21/2005 7:36:18 AM PDT by RobbyS (chirho)
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To: shhrubbery!
And the Terri-Must-Die crowd knows it. Just like the Roe supporters, they know they are wrong; but they are hysterically trying to convince us they aren't.

I'd check the hysterics if I were you. Frankly I didn't want the woman to die, but I also respect the standard of federalism above everything else. That line was crossed and any party that does that, no matter who's leading them, has lost my support completely.

187 posted on 06/21/2005 7:37:05 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: over3Owithabrain

Well, if "Michael" never "forgot" what Terri "told" him, what's your "point"?


188 posted on 06/21/2005 7:41:43 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

You are pretty dense, aren't you? Your boy is a liar, once he got his loot and his new screwpal, he "remembered" Terri wanted to die. But you know that already.


189 posted on 06/21/2005 7:45:20 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: billbears
Frankly I didn't want the woman to die, but I also respect the standard of federalism above everything else.

IOW's "Patooey on the Constitution..." which is the Supreme Law of the Land. Good riddens.

190 posted on 06/21/2005 7:47:42 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: billbears
If you read the lengthy verbiage posted by the pro-death on this thread --and on others, even after their "victory" last March-- I think you'll see who's defensive to the point of hysteria.

As for federalism, how was "the line crossed" ? If federal court review is granted to death row criminals under the 14th Amendment, why shouldn't federal court review be granted in disputed cases where the state has imposed a death sentence on an innocent?

191 posted on 06/21/2005 7:48:25 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (The 'right to choose' = The right to choose death --for somebody else.)
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To: jwalsh07
"Ignorance is neither a joke nor a virtue ..."

Oh my. I'd certainly hate to be ignorant.

Why don't you educate me as to what the court really did? I could use a good laugh.

I read the court order, currently have it opened in another window ready to "copy and paste" in response to your worthless answer -- assuming you post one.

192 posted on 06/21/2005 7:49:03 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

No reading comprehension in some of these folks is there.

Oh well...Im off to hack at a golf ball for 18...


193 posted on 06/21/2005 7:49:49 AM PDT by KDD (http://www.gardenofsong.com/midi/popgoes.mid)
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To: jwalsh07
IOW's "Patooey on the Constitution..." which is the Supreme Law of the Land. Good riddens.

Well contrary to the cracked arm of 'conservatism' of which you seem to belong, the Constitution is merely a set of limitations on the national government. The Framers understood certain questions would come to the forefront within the respective states which is why we have the 10th Amendment. As I said, if Florida wants to muck about with the lives of its citizens, that's fine with me. But do not destroy what is left of the checks and balances between the national government and the respective state governments for your silly crusade.

Oh and learn to spell. It may help your argument..

194 posted on 06/21/2005 7:52:23 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: shhrubbery!
If federal court review is granted to death row criminals under the 14th Amendment, why shouldn't federal court review be granted in disputed cases where the state has imposed a death sentence on an innocent?

Because the 14th Amendment was stretched for that power in and of itself. Now you're going to argue why not stretch it a little more? That's conservative....

This was a civil case, not a criminal one. The 10th Amendment is clear. I realize Republicans inherently hate that Amendment considering their auspicious party origin but are we now to take intrastate medical civil cases all the way to the Supreme Court because we disagree with the outcome?

195 posted on 06/21/2005 7:55:32 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: shhrubbery!

The Rooker-Feldman doctrine is one of several abstention doctrines that federal courts follow. This one holds that federal courts should not hear claims that essentially ask the court to review the decisionmaking in a state case. The rationale is, basically, that the U.S. Supreme Court is available to review state court decisions that involve federal issues (like due process), and there is no need to turn the lower federal courts into a review system for state decisions.

Now, in the case of those in state or federal custody, Congress has enacted statutes that expressly require federal courts to hear claims that ask for state proceedings to be reviewed. In those cases, Rooker-Feldman does not apply.

As you probably know, Congress has recently been debating whether to adopt a law that would extend the review capacity of lower federal courts to include persons in Terri's circumstances. If that law passed, Rooker-Feldman would not apply, and the court would be able to review the state court proceedings for due process violations. So far, that law has not passed.

And it probably won't.


196 posted on 06/21/2005 7:56:11 AM PDT by KDD (http://www.gardenofsong.com/midi/popgoes.mid)
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To: robertpaulsen

Wasn't convincing to Michael before the money came in, though, was it? Go ahead. Give me the time line.


197 posted on 06/21/2005 8:00:02 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Terri Schiavo. Could have been me. Could have been you.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
"He said that the State had ordered the feeding tube removed ..."

Ah! Well, that's different. Why?

According to the Florida State Constitution (and supported by the state supreme court decision in In Re Browning), a patient has the right to refuse medical treatment. Terri had, on at least five different occassions, expressed her desire not to live that way.

The judge in this case was charged by the State of Florida with finding "clear and convincing" evidence as to Terri's wishes in her then current condition.

His ruling reflected his decision, and he ordered the feeding tube removed, thereby honoring the patient's right to refuse treatment.

198 posted on 06/21/2005 8:00:54 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: veronica
I said, to you, that your comment was off-topic, yes.

You got a beef with KDD's comment being off-topic, take it up with him and leave me out of it.

199 posted on 06/21/2005 8:04:02 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
So your answer is that you are an atheist. Thanks. Goodbye.
200 posted on 06/21/2005 8:09:20 AM PDT by dennisw (See the primitive wallflower freeze, When the jelly-faced women all sneeze)
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