Posted on 06/17/2005 9:18:36 PM PDT by bayourod
Agreed. Legal residents or citizens.
"...illegals pay taxes too..."
We'd all like to think so, but I've searched the state of Colorado and haven't found one yet. I have found lots of illegal roofers, fruit pickers, utility employees and Aspen construction workers who drive $40,000 Dodge diesel trucks and own $300,000 homes, though. It's easier to buy those things when you don't have to pay taxes.
Except if they get paid cash under the table. Then no taxes are taken out. Do you think the contractors who hire all of those day laborers are taking the required taxes out of the wages that they're paying them? Only a fool would believe that.
Employers who fail to withhold IRS taxes go to prison regularly.
This has happened perhaps a few times in the last 10 years. And you call that regularly?
Las Vegas needs Immigrants. They are the ones shoving those 900 number cards in your face every 5 feet. I even ran into a family doing it. They slap the cards first (whatever that means) then shove it in your face.
So? Since the new ones will also be legal, and you don't have anything against legal immigrants, where's the problem.
The "legal vs illegal" argument will never prevail with intelligent people. For example, in academic competitive debate, opposition to something on the basis that it is illegal is not allowed for the reason that laws can always be changed.
Well, for me, that dog won't hunt. We need a sane legal immigration policy. Plain and simple. Anyone coming in outside of that norm is violating the law and should be treated as such, turned back, to come back through in the proscribed process.
...the logical conclusion of what you have stated is that there is no need for laws at all...that intelligent people can somehow just "all get along".
Well, to quote Thomas Paine who referred his remarks to the the foolishness of allowing no one to own guns...I will use the same words applied to this arguement. "Because some will not, we dare not."
I've made my points and am hapy to let others judge for themselves between us.
Yeah, right, let's give another amnesty to the illegal aliens. That type of "punishment" will certainly prevent more of them from coming here in the future. Sheesh.
It is good that Nevada is kind to those who decamp from California. California is rather over crowded these days. More need to cross the river, and into the desert now viewed as a promised land - and beyond - and beyond some more.
So paying taxes trumps being a criminal if one is an illegal alien?
The mindset of the leftist politician these days....
That's an insignificant part of the economy.
Businesses need steady, dependable employees. The IRS has tables for every category of business showing how much the average labor costs are. If the tax return of the business shows a labor cost that is too far below the industry average an audit is triggered.
Failure to pay withholding taxes is routinely prosecuted and employers are commonly given hard time. The IRS doesn't even care about the immigration status of the employees.
You are probably thinking of prosecutions of employers for hiring illegals, not IRS prosecutions for failure to pay withholding taxes, filing false tax returns, tax evasion, etc.. that don't have anything to do with immigration laws, even if the employees were illegal.
If a person pays the same taxes as you they should get the same benefits as you.
Ah yes, make it a "living, breathing" issue.
I'm always excited to see something new.
Yea, just change the laws so the inmates can run the asylum.
Let's just see how it goes and then take it from there. /sarcasm
Yes, I want to live in a country where legal and illegal are meaningless terms.
Interesting concept.
Break the law and for restitution pay taxes.
Has ALL common sense disappeared?
What does legal and illegal have to do with right and wrong?
Abortion is legal, does that mean you believe it's right?
Do you believe that all laws are "right"? Can't you think of any laws that you think need to be changed? How can you think that any laws need changing as long as you think that everything legal is good.
Oh, and one other thing, as far as benefits go?
Yea, it's my pleasure to support those in need who have jumped to the front of the line as non-citizens.
When it comes to personal benefits, in 49 years those benefits have consisted of:
1)Being honored with the title of taxpayer for 49 years less 14 years.
2) see above.
"Taxes are not voluntary. Illegal immigrants have to pay them just like everyone else.
Employers who fail to withhold IRS taxes go to prison regularly. Employers who deduct less labor costs than standard for their business category get audited."
This may be a dumb question, but that's never stopped me before. Sure, an employer can withhold taxes from a paycheck, but how then does the employer report that money to the IRS when the employee DOES NOT LEGALLY EXIST? And if these people are independent contractors, to what does the IRS match the 1099s? The "taxpayers" in these cases are not filing returns.
I don't buy that they pay taxes. And even if they do, that is no justification for criminality. The ends do not justify the means....only in the minds of 'progressives'.
Should they have to pay out-of-state tuition rates?
Violating an immigration regulation has nothing more to do college tuition rates than violating a traffic offense.
I beg to differ, for if "legal vs illegal" isn't an argument then there is no definition of legal or illegal.
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