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No more Boy Scouts in Britain
world Net Daily ^ | June 16, 2005 | Hans Zeiger

Posted on 06/16/2005 11:22:21 AM PDT by SandRat

The year 2007 would have marked the 100th birthday of Boy Scouting in England. Unfortunately, the British Boy Scouts, founded by Lord Robert Baden-Powell as the first Scouting group in the world, is now a dead organization.

The recent decision by U.K. Scout Association executives to make chaos of the Scout Oath mangles the program far beyond anything Baden-Powell might recognize. Instead of being required to pledge their loyalty to "God and the Queen," members of the Scout Association can now opt to swear allegiance to any combination of things. Muslims can pledge to Allah, Hindus to Dharma, and atheists to life in "good moral standing." Anti-monarchs can omit the Queen's title and mention instead the state.

But the decision isn't much of a surprise.

In 1991, UK Scout executives decided to give troops the option of allowing equal access for girls and boys to any of its programs. By 1996, nearly 26,000 girls had joined. By 2000, British Scouting authorities required that all newly formed troops be co-educational.

In a statement of special problems that may arise with the integration of young ladies with young men on camping trips and the like, U.K. Scout Association administrators asseverate:

In the instance of physical building constraints, commissioners should first establish whether these problems have been raised as a cover for opposition to making mixed provision. Where these problems are real, commissioners should emphasise that these are NOT gender issues but are resource problems.

That's officialese for saying that tenting arrangements, bathroom issues, and other gender differences are simply relics of a time when males dominated society and filled the ranks of Scouting exclusively. Today, everyone is equal.

At an October 1997 meeting of the executive board of the U.K. Scout Association, a decision was made to admit open homosexuals into troops as leaders and members. "Society has changed considerably since 1907," wrote British Scouting executives in their revolutionary "Equal Opportunities Policy Guidelines." "The Scout Association has had to recognize these changes in how we describe what we stand for." The new non-discrimination code included a prohibition of discrimination on the basis of "marital or sexual status" and "political or religious belief."

The London Telegraph asked Lord Baden-Powell's grandson, a vice president for the U.K. Scout Association, to comment on the decision, but he said only that the board had made the decision without his knowledge. Baden-Powell's 79-year old daughter, Betty Clay, denounced the decisions and political correctness of the Scout Association. "He, in his writings to young men, and in his responses to many anxious young men's inquiries, always made it clear that they should do their best to keep themselves clean in thought, word, and deed ... They should ... look on themselves as guardians of their bodies and minds and to do as far they could according to the will of God."

Today, homosexuals are allowed to become Scout leaders without question, because "there is no link between homosexuality and pedophilia, and therefore there is no justification for restricting membership on this basis." Only a brief note at the bottom of the non-discrimination code clarifies what was clearly considered by executives in discussions of sexual status: "Pedophilia is a bar to any involvement in the Scout Movement."

Aside from pedophilia, sexual relationships are not only tolerated, but encouraged in the confines of the English Scouting experience:

It is important for leaders to help some young people to understand the nature of public and private behaviour, and the need to respect other people's privacy and personal space. When two young people do form an emotional attachment, leaders should both support their need for some privacy together as well as help them to remember their other friends, who may feel rejected by the couple.

Far from the abstinence-based approach of the Boy Scouts of America, British Scouts encourage Scout leaders to discuss "sexual behavior and practices" and "contraception" with their troop members. The only significant restrictions placed on troop leaders are mandatory abidance of the new age-of-consent laws (age 16) passed by Parliament and to avoid allowing "relationships between young people at different stages of sexual development."

Americans, take note of this: Since the UKSA decided to ally itself with the homosexual movement, Scouting membership in England has dropped by close to 20 percent. From 1997 to 2001, membership fell from 500,000 to 400,000. It had been as high as 650,000 in the 1980s.

There are consequences to political correctness. Among other things, it kills movements.

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Hans Zeiger is an Eagle Scout, president and founder of the Scout Honor Coalition and a student at Hillsdale College in Michigan. His new book, "Get Off My Honor: The Assault on the Boy Scouts of America," can be pre-ordered from online booksellers


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Canada; Culture/Society; Editorial; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: agendas; badenpowell; boyscouts; boythcouts; britian; bsa; bsalist; degredation; england; girlyboyscouts; hanszeiger; theend; ukscouts
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1 posted on 06/16/2005 11:22:21 AM PDT by SandRat
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To: RonF; AppauledAtAppeasementConservat; Da Jerdge; Looking for Diogenes; Congressman Billybob; ...

Beware, ... lest this happen to the Boy Scouts of America.


2 posted on 06/16/2005 11:23:22 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

We need more Hans Zeigers and Ben Shapiros.


3 posted on 06/16/2005 11:23:54 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: SandRat

Unbelievable!


4 posted on 06/16/2005 11:25:03 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: SandRat
I hope that when push comes to shove, the American Boy Scouts will have the integrity to disband rather than become a parody of themselves.

So9

5 posted on 06/16/2005 11:27:51 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: SandRat
Funny how homosexual and atheists want to force organizations to confirm to THEM, even if it kills the organization they want to join. They never want to go out and start the "Queer Boy Scouts" - funny how that works
6 posted on 06/16/2005 11:28:03 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: SandRat

Is NAMBLA active in England?


7 posted on 06/16/2005 11:29:14 AM PDT by ncountylee
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To: SandRat

Yet another nail in the UK's coffin.


8 posted on 06/16/2005 11:30:48 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: SandRat
...Muslims can pledge to Allah, Hindus to Dharma, and atheists to life in "good moral standing."

That's terribly intolerant of them. Who's to say what is meant my "good moral standing"? This certainly leaves out the Unitarians.

9 posted on 06/16/2005 11:32:20 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sicked and tired!)
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To: ncountylee
That's a question for MadIvan. I assume they have their own collections of Mollies that are into pedophilia in some organized manner.
10 posted on 06/16/2005 11:32:41 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: 2banana
Funny how homosexual and atheists want to force organizations to confirm to THEM, even if it kills the organization they want to join.

Their intent is the kill those organizations.

11 posted on 06/16/2005 11:32:50 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Servant of the 9; SLB
I think they will have to shut down the old organization and reestablish a new one with specific clauses in the charter to address these problems.

*Eagle Class of 1992.

12 posted on 06/16/2005 11:33:06 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. - John Adams)
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To: SandRat
Today, homosexuals are allowed to become Scout leaders without question, because "there is no link between homosexuality and pedophilia, and therefore there is no justification for restricting membership on this basis."

Humm...?! I guess if you discount the fact that a far higher percentage of homosexuals molest boys than non-homosexuals then this statement could be accurate. Perhaps they're just experimenting with "opposite day" in England where true things become false and false things become true.

13 posted on 06/16/2005 11:33:11 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Their intent is TO kill those organizations.


14 posted on 06/16/2005 11:33:30 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: SandRat
This completely unsurprising. Remember this?



Here we se a Knight of the Realm, Sir Elton John singing in front of some stripping gay "cub scouts."

Is it at all surprising that the UK can no longer tolerate a group like the real Boy Scouts who pledge to serve God? Is there a God in Britain any more??
15 posted on 06/16/2005 11:33:36 AM PDT by Antoninus (Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini, Hosanna in excelsis!)
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To: SandRat

This move would have made Hitler feel more secure; he would not have had to worry about the English youth.


16 posted on 06/16/2005 11:34:09 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Mr. Mojo

In Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts, we took up riflery and archery with .22 rifles and smaller frame longbows. Probably couldn't happen in the UK.


17 posted on 06/16/2005 11:34:43 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: SandRat

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshowbnews/1144272.cms

British school taught wrong syllabus for a year!
ANI[ THURSDAY, JUNE 16, 2005 11:47:34 PM ]



LONDON: It seems that there are other ways to fare poorly in your exams, than not preparing adequately for them.


That is probably what is going to happen to students at a top British school, the Emmanuel College in Gateshead, who were taught the wrong syllabus for over a year.

The 15-year-old students realised this huge mistake only a day before they were to take their GCSE English literature examinations, and found that they had studied the wrong First World War poems.


18 posted on 06/16/2005 11:36:00 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: SandRat

I have 2 young boys in the UK. No way they're joining this movement.


19 posted on 06/16/2005 11:37:00 AM PDT by pau1f0rd (I'm looking over the wall - and they're looking at me)
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To: SandRat
When two young people do form an emotional attachment, leaders should both support their need for some privacy together as well as help them to remember their other friends, who may feel rejected by the couple.

Oh..My..G-d! How did they let it get to this? Well, it WON'T happen here in the US. We need to get involved, shout it down, do whatever; this is just wrong. I can no longer respect English society.

20 posted on 06/16/2005 11:37:09 AM PDT by Clock King
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