Posted on 06/15/2005 1:11:25 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
That's a great post, bayourod. I see the most realistic approach as being build the walls and lock the doors, but obviously that's a preventative measure, not dealing with those already inside. Of course, if we'd taken the approach you describe since the 80's we might not be in the mess we're in now.
Put me down for a guest worker program like the one we had in World War 2.
Let people come in and work seasonal jobs and then go back home.
I am totally against illegal immigration in any form.
I also do not support citizenship for guest workers and illegals already in this country.
Just because their here illegally dose not give them the right to stay here.
I can see the guest worker plan being approved but any other free give away of citizenship rights will have a hell of a hard time passing if my vote counts for anything.
However, I am sure the ACLU dupes are licking their chops.
It's not that easy. You have to prove a long term relationship before they will grant legal status.
From one of your own, no less.
So, you see "rod", we caught over 600,000 in 1993. How did we reduce that number?
Since the launch of Operation Gatekeeper, apprehensions in San Diego have dropped from 45 percent to 30 percent of the total Southwest border. At the Imperial Beach station, which covers the first four miles from the ocean eastward and was the busiest border area, apprehensions dropped from 138,185 in FY 1994 (before the start of Gatekeeper) to 25,029 in FY 1997, an 82 percent reduction.
So, what this really means is that enforcement of the border works. But, that bothers you most of all.
Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!
Be Ever Vigilant!
Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!
No great surprise here. Makes ya wanna hurl how Washington DC Federal government has *intentionally* blown it on illegal immigration. Treated it a one big frigging joke. Anchor babies will one day be voting and making this mess even worse, more chaotic.
I can't vouch for the accuracy of my numbers. My sources are partially from newspapers and some of those are estimates, such as number of border jumpers not caught. But even if they are off by half, the end conclusion has to be the same.
Operation Gatekeep has been in effect since 1994. Has it reduced the number of illegals in San Diego?
Thanks for taking the time to look at Operation Gatekeeper instead of simply calling me a traitor for raising the point. I would like to have your source to add to my file. Thank you.
Well, duh!!!!!
They come across just to have their babies here so they can suck more of my tax dollars!!!
I can't believe you just associated FR with that piece of $hit VDare site.
It's also the preferred route for drug smuggling because the odds of being caught are less. If you seal the land routes, they will just increase usage of the water routes.
In addition to the people entering by land and sea surface routes, you need to add in the number who fly across in small planes. Another favorite method of drug smugglers, the Texas landscape is littered with unmarked private landing fields and private blacktopped "roads".
And since an estimated 50% of illegals currently in the U.S. originally entered legally as tourists, students, business biz etc... and simply didn't go home after their time expired, factor in another unlimited millions.
Never pass up a chance to hyperbolize when you can simply use common sense.
My sources were:
The chart comes from here: Operation Gatekeeper: An Investigation Into Allegations of Fraud and Misconduct (July, 1998)
Which refuted the claims of fraud and inflated apprehension rates.
I don't think you are a traitor. Simply someone who has a stake in propagating illegals. For whatever reason you have it's anethema to good citizenship.
By the way, I will keep pointing out your "Lies of the day" when I come across them.
You simply can't use the same rates for those. It's just plain silly and hyperbolic.
We have to start somewhere, rod. Or, do you want us to become the welfare capital of the world?
But the place to start may not be on the border. We already catch 1/3rd to 3/4ths of attempted border jumpers. We can never catch 100%. I can't see that our increases in border security has cut down on the total number of illegals at all.
The better way, in my opinion is to address the problems at the local level as needed. If Dallas is happy with the level and conduct of illegals in their city, leave it alone. If FT Worth is unhappy with the impact illegals are having on their city, bring in ICE to bust the employers.
You have to address the demand side of the equation by giving employers all the legal immigrants they need, or by putting them out of business. Killing businesses is like killing the goose that laid the golden egg.
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