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France Buries The EU Constitution (Doomed!)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6-14-2005 | David Rennie

Posted on 06/13/2005 7:30:53 PM PDT by blam

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1 posted on 06/13/2005 7:30:54 PM PDT by blam
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Schroeder Warns Blair As EU Rebate Row Hots Up
2 posted on 06/13/2005 7:37:01 PM PDT by blam
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Is it just me, or was the French intent in constructing the EU -- an attempt to force other nations to subsidize France, under color of treaty?

Have I missed something.....Am I misreading the situation?

Semper Fi
3 posted on 06/13/2005 7:51:07 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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"Have I missed something.....Am I misreading the situation?"

From what little I know about this whole situation...that's my impression too.

4 posted on 06/13/2005 8:14:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: river rat
Is it just me, or was the French intent in constructing the EU -- an attempt to force other nations to subsidize France, under color of treaty?

You've got it correct.

Without the rebate for the UK, they would pay 15 times as much as France does. Even with the rebate the UK pays more than France, and still France goes on to accuse Britain of "selfishly refusing to pay the bill for enlargement last year".

What Gaul!

5 posted on 06/13/2005 8:22:52 PM PDT by RJL
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To: blam
They should have named it Absurdistan instead of the European Union considering who is involved and running this hack act trying to become the new U.S. and never will. Sell your Euro's now while they still have a value.
6 posted on 06/13/2005 8:25:33 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne (My tagline is currently being blocked by Congressional filibuster for being to harsh.)
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""Our humble and modest position says we simply respect the position of each member state," said Mr Douste-Blazy. "

That sure sounds like someone took the French aside and said " You keep this up and we'll blow the lid off of.... "


7 posted on 06/13/2005 8:31:44 PM PDT by RS (Just because they are out to get him, it doesn't mean he's not guilty.)
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Oh, I am so sad. NOT!!!


8 posted on 06/13/2005 8:31:47 PM PDT by taxesareforever
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To: river rat
You didn't miss a single thing, mate. The froggies voted down this silly-ass alleged ''constitution'' (all 448 pages of it, btw), because it wasn't sufficiently socialist.

The Dutch voted it down for more or less the opposite reason; they've had a hard time recently with their famed ''tolerant'' culture.

In plain English, this utterly moronic alleged ''constitution'' is starkest idiocy in action. Only legislators (well, wth did you expect?, 7 out of 7 leges have ''approved'' it, w/o any vote of the citizens of the respective nations) and Spaniards (again, wth did you expect?...quaking in their boots after a round of Islamic terrorism that killed several hundred) will vote to enact such a disgraceful and idiotic, AND self-enslaving, document into what passes for ''law'' in the ESSR.

Hell's bells, man, even the old Soviet ''constitution'' was more coherent than this batch of bilge. Don't even think of taking my word for it!

Look up the USSR constitution (which was absolute kwap, not worth the paper on which it was printed, because totalitarians love to show the faux-emulation of generally republican principles), and compare it to this new ESSR nonsensical so-called ''constitution''.

9 posted on 06/13/2005 8:31:57 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: blam

Couldn't happen to a nicer continent.


10 posted on 06/13/2005 8:32:17 PM PDT by inkling
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To: river rat
Imagine an over-extended corporation with a current profit, but future commitments it cannot hope to meet.

They might well seek a merger partner (or two, or twenty-five) which a.) had better future prospects and b.) in which they would be the surviving corporation.

That over-extended corporation is France. The mega-corp they were attempting to form is the EU.

11 posted on 06/13/2005 8:33:20 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: blam

The Euro has decoupled from other currencies, and is in a tailspin. There are some interesting charts here:

http://www.321gold.com/editorials/chan/chan061305.html


12 posted on 06/13/2005 8:58:28 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: TheForceOfOne

This previous post details the absurd salaries.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421157/posts


13 posted on 06/13/2005 9:05:03 PM PDT by ncountylee
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The froggies voted down this silly-ass alleged ''constitution'' (all 448 pages of it, btw), because it wasn't sufficiently socialist.

That is one way to spin it; another way is to call it a return to protectionism and the reinforcement and appreciation of the nation state. Before you can have socialism, you must have self-determination, and without that you will have no say over either the visible or the invisible hand.
14 posted on 06/13/2005 9:20:47 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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France Surrenders! (again)


15 posted on 06/13/2005 9:23:31 PM PDT by aynrandfreak (When can we stop pretending that the Left doesn't by and large hate America?)
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To: ARCADIA
That may be the silliest comment I've ever seen on FR.

The very concept of socialism is anti-self-deterministic by definition; when a socialist gov't utters its decrees and ukases, both the individual and any non-dominating population group have one of two choices, namely:
1) Knuckle under
2) Get the hell out of Dodge.

Spin, is it? What rubbish. The French leftists voted en masse and in lockstep (gee, now THAT was a shock, eh?) against the pseudo-constitution.

Look, laddiebuck, the froggies can't possibly ''return'' to protectionism, simply because they've never abandoned the notion. Protectionism is the national economic equivalent of attempting to call ''time out'' or ''freeze the ball''. Doesn't work over time, never has, never will, although assorted nations have managed by force against their respective populations to maintain a protectionist regime for a little while.

Which little demonstrable truth, of course, makes protectionism the perfect policy for the froggies. I assume you know the history of this besotted nation after said nation's most serious debacle, to wit and specifically, WW II. Good, glad you do know it.

About time for the SIXTH alleged ''Republic'', I'd say. Merely superimpose a green crescent over the vaunted ''bleu, blanc, et rouge'' and voila tout!.

Simplest thing in the world...well, except for most froggie politicos, who are far, far simpler.

FReegards to you.

16 posted on 06/13/2005 10:14:43 PM PDT by SAJ
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EUR rates to be pretty ugly for some time, as I've remarked here on several occasions. From late March onward, I've sold a fair number of EC calls (CME-IMM), month on month, and have put a fair amount in pocket by doing so.

Trading forex is highly influenced by mob psychology, though; most extended currency moves overshoot by 20% or so, even more when a panic component is thrown in (think MXN, 1997, or RUR, August 1998, to mention a couple of recent examples).

Long term -- say a decade or so -- EUR is toast, absolutely insupportable as a currency, until and unless the Maastricht agreement is rewritten top to bottom.

Will this occur? I've no view...but if you hold a gun to my head, I'd say that I doubt such renegotiation of the agreement will, or even could possibly, occur. The political class in the original signatory nations (pls note that UK and the 'Eastern' European nations are not part of this group) will never permit a renegotiation, even unto EUR's collapse.

They ''know best'', dontchasee?

In your honour, Cicero:

Quo usque tandem abutere, EMU, patientia nostra?

17 posted on 06/13/2005 10:29:46 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: okie01

Fine analogy!


18 posted on 06/13/2005 10:36:15 PM PDT by SAJ
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Good show, SAJ. You have stated quite succinctly, and with the proper amount of Old West aphorism, what socialism is -

"The very concept of socialism is anti-self-deterministic by definition; when a socialist gov't utters its decrees and ukases, both the individual and any non-dominating population group have one of two choices, namely:
1) Knuckle under
2) Get the hell out of Dodge."

I plan to use it with some of my friends in the West whose understanding of socialism is sorely lacking.


19 posted on 06/14/2005 6:25:20 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Marxism has not only failed to promote human freedom, it has failed to produce food)
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Use away, and w/my compliments...and thank you for your service!

FReegards!

20 posted on 06/14/2005 9:34:30 AM PDT by SAJ
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