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To: Ohioan
First off it is extremely difficult to hold any sort of meaningful discussion with you in terms of slavery & Southern segregation of the races when you respond "The social customs of other States are not my business."

In your mind slavery and racial segregation as nothing more then the "social customs of other States" and further more, you as an American proudly declares they"are not my business."(?)

In addition you repeatedly tag all those involved with the Civil Rights movement of the 1940's, 1950's and 1960's as being "communists and soicalists" every last one, correct? While on the other hand continue using such terms as "Negro youth".

You really take the cake in more ways than one! You know what you are, and the more you type, so do others.

The Muslim fanatics who have managed to murder close to 200 innocent victims in both London proper, and their latest mass slaughter at a popular Egyptian holiday resort consider blowing up 'infidels' a very intricate part of their "social customs". Since the Islamic terrorist's carnage is not yet effecting your home state will you offer the same deplorable response?

Let me get this straight, Klansman and segregationists, as long as there in the South do not fit your description of "ideologues"?

What is the universally excepted term, especially by those most effected by the extermination of the Jewish people? It's called 'Holocaust or Shoah'. If using your explanation "cold-blooded, systematic Socialist slaughter:" nobody would understand it meant the 'Holocaust' of the Jewish people and you damn well know it.

Furthermore show me any document written by a survivor of the Shoah/Holocaust in which that use such an insulting term as your defended title "The Cult Of The Holocaust" - "Golden Calf Of The Twentieth Century" regardless of the content.

In your deformed outlook those which might have survived the Holocaust, American GI's which entered the exterminations camps and everyone else lacks "intellectual integrity unless they except you labeling the Holocaust a "The Cult Of The Holocaust" - "Golden Calf Of The Twentieth Century"? "My essay also suggests that the correct response to the Marx/Hitler demonization of the Jews, is to return to a focus on the strength of the Mosaic tradition, rather than endlessly focusing on the terrible body count.

There will be no returning to "the strength of the Mosaic tradition" if, the world forgets about " focusing on the terrible body count."

Let me ask you this, were any of your direct relatives counted in that "terrible body count" of victims of the Jewish Holocaust during World War Two and even before in Nazi Germany during the 1930's?

761 posted on 07/23/2005 6:31:54 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not free)
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To: M. Espinola
In your mind slavery and racial segregation as nothing more then the "social customs of other States"

That position to to be expected from one who has embraced moral relativism.

As for Ohioan, he has not merely embraced moral relativism. He has his tongue deep enough to taste moral relativism's eardrum.

764 posted on 07/25/2005 5:53:16 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: M. Espinola
First off it is extremely difficult to hold any sort of meaningful discussion with you in terms of slavery & Southern segregation of the races when you respond "The social customs of other States are not my business."

You want to define the discussion, here, in terms of your preoccupations. But why should any of us let you define what we need to address?

The point that you seem unable to grasp, is that for many of us, the debate comes down, first and foremost, to whether America respects the Constitutional compact, which specifically left moral questions to the States, or not. Sorry, that I will not accommodate you in going off on a tangent.

In addition you repeatedly tag all those involved with the Civil Rights movement of the 1940's, 1950's and 1960's as being "communists and soicalists" every last one, correct? While on the other hand continue using such terms as "Negro youth".

No, I did not. The "Civil Rights" movement was started by Socialists, later joined by Communists. However, if you will go back no further than my post 760, you will see that your statement is not true.

As for your comment as to my addressing "Negro youth," what is your problem--other than of course, a refusal to consider the terrible damage that your views have done to the prospects of millions of young American Negroes. Apparently, in your hate filled world, they are simply to be sacrificed to utilitarian dogmatism.

In a like vein, you object to my defining the Nazi outrages in terms of what was actually done, and insult humanity, by suggesting that no one would know to what was referred! How absurd can you get. Anyone with any knowledge of the World War II history, would know precisely to what a "cold-blooded, systematic slaughter" of the European Jews would refer. It is the packaging term "Holocaust," which is misleading.

And, if you have actually read my essay, you should understand that the "Golden Calf" reference relates to the diversion of a proud ancient faith, away from a focus on that Faith, to a greater focus on the horrors done to some of the practitioners. My suggestion, that strength comes from focusing on enduring truths, handed down and preserved for 3300 years, rather than ritualizing a terrible disaster, is consistent with Conservative priorities.

Of course, preserving traditional values, obviously is no prioritiy of yours, if your attacks on the Southern tradition are any clue.

768 posted on 07/25/2005 1:04:40 PM PDT by Ohioan
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