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Blacks suspended [from Charlotte schools] far more than whites
Charlotte Observer ^ | June 12, 2005 | Liz Chandler, Adam Bell, Peter Smolowitz

Posted on 06/12/2005 7:34:54 AM PDT by southernnorthcarolina

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To: Dave S
"Maybe some kids need a little extra attention in the early grades to teach them right from wrong."

The die is cast by the time the child is six years old.

Get your children out of the anarchy/chaos of the public schools.

21 posted on 06/12/2005 8:01:12 AM PDT by blam
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To: Ahban

My three cousins in Jackson Mississippi who taught public for years say precisely the same thing.


They quit and went to teaching private for less money.

Jackson public schools are 88% black


22 posted on 06/12/2005 8:02:24 AM PDT by wardaddy ((Free ILoveDane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!))
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To: Ahban
I had a black kid work for me a couple of years ago and I had a conversation with him about standing up to police at traffic stops. He was telling me that it's a mark of pride to give the cops lip. Almost an obligation. I told him that the white boy's response to a policeman was yes sir and no sir. He understood, but I don't think it changed anything.
23 posted on 06/12/2005 8:03:20 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Dawgs off the coffee table.)
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To: Ahban
"We have to teach people to be very aware of their biases," says Agruso, "and ask if bias is creeping into how they treat a child."

Most adults have a bias against obnoxious, disruptive behaviour. If a student chooses to act like a ghetto thug or "ho", s/he will not get much of an education. Want to help these kids? Make them behave like civilized people. Their culture, not racism or the "biased" school, is what's dragging them down.

24 posted on 06/12/2005 8:03:26 AM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Jus' gotta hab quotas, it jes' ain't fayuh no uther way.

Those in the best position to fix this on going problem, are too busy making excuses and blaiming everything and everyone else, to face up to and work on the problem.

The only racism present in this situation, is the raciests who prefer to blame every shortcoming by members of their own race on imagined racism by members of another race.


25 posted on 06/12/2005 8:03:56 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (From their slimy left bank puddle, the froggy Dems still croak" Duh........ We da mainstream, we da)
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To: wardaddy
"Jackson public schools are 88% black"

I went to Jackson once. It was the only place I've ever seen a mall with a 12 foot fence around it with armed security guards at the gated entrances/exits.

26 posted on 06/12/2005 8:05:00 AM PDT by blam
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To: southernnorthcarolina

I wonder if there is a correlation to single parent household?


27 posted on 06/12/2005 8:05:30 AM PDT by the_daug
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To: southernnorthcarolina
He wants to expand training for teachers to better understand the culture of poverty, which he believes plays a role.

What kind of crap is that? And if the teacher 'understand(s) the culture of poverty', then she has to put up with bad behavior from some of the kids, but not others? I think that would be called discrimination.

I think the reason behind a higher percentage of black children being suspended is the same as why there is a higher percentage of black males in prison.
28 posted on 06/12/2005 8:05:54 AM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Hoping to be a California Vigil Antie for the Minuteman Project)
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To: Constitution Day; Alia; TaxRelief; Howlin

If any of the keepers of the NC Ping List are not in church at this hour (like the undersigned infidel), he or she may wish to send this out.


29 posted on 06/12/2005 8:07:12 AM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (What happens in Waxhaw STAYS in Waxhaw.)
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To: kjo

Where do you teach? (you don't have to be specific if you like)

I was in 7th grade Jackson MS when court ordered busing came in over Christmas break 1969 and the Jr High school went from maybe 10% voluntary black to about 65% black when we came back from break. It was supposed to have been 50% but some white booked for private asap.

I stayed and it was wild. I had never seen kids so wild. Sure there were some nerdy black kids and whatnot but I had never seen sex in the bathroom and knife fights and all sorts of crazy stuff.....gang stuff too. I was attacked by a gang for refusing to turn over my pencil...lol...a damned pencil. My black homeroom teacher saved my ass.

My folks yanked me out after that year and we went private and neighborhood schools were ruined forever.

Folks here don't have a clue unless they were there.

At the time I actually thought it was fun...12 years old and all.


Thanks for your efforts teach!


It's about the families and culture....always has been.


30 posted on 06/12/2005 8:09:33 AM PDT by wardaddy ((Free ILoveDane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!))
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To: blam

Parts of it have a J-burg charm.


31 posted on 06/12/2005 8:09:59 AM PDT by wardaddy ((Free ILoveDane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!))
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To: cpdiii
There are more dysfunctional black families than white families

Fear not, help is on the way. Currently bastardy is at the same level in the white population as it was in the black population in the late 1960's. One more generation and things will even out.
32 posted on 06/12/2005 8:10:38 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: southernnorthcarolina

All these kids need is a father that takes his belt off and whips their asses with it.


33 posted on 06/12/2005 8:12:13 AM PDT by BobS
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Indiana University's "The Color of Discipline" scientifically adjusted for socioeconomic factors and still found blacks suspended more often -- and for more discretionary reasons.

So, we have a study that adjusted for factors of social and economic bias. So where are the raw numbers. In other words how many of the black suspensions (other factors being controlled) are because of discretionary calls by the teacher. (and how many teachers are black?). This is a flawed study like so many examined by Thomas Sowell in his book "Vision of the Anointed". The problem is that the study started with the vision that blacks would be discriminated against in school and proceeded from there.

One thing that should be mentioned is that teachers, as a class, work very hard on their prejudices. I had a bias against kids who refused to turn in homework for example. I would never let a racial bias affect what I did as I tried to understand every student. But some kids work harder, some kids let you know they are trying to get it but can't. Some kids come after school or during lunch for the extra help that was always offered. Etc. And the teacher tries to behave equally toward every student, and tries to be fair when deciding the grades at the end of every quarter. But I would have to argue that disruptive behavior hurts all the kids for the sake one one or two who can't behave. Sorry, classes need discipline and kids need to come to school with this one understanding -- behave or out you go.

Finally it must be noted that this article casts dispersions on a fine -- usually left thinking group -- the teachers themselves. If this is a left on left problem, maybe we should let them duke it out. I for one would love to see the teachers union take on the elites who put out shoddy research like this. The anointed Vs. the anointed.

34 posted on 06/12/2005 8:23:28 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
"Blacks suspended [from Charlotte schools] far more than whites"

The reason is behavior and not race. The few times that I got mine busted for bad behavior in school, I got it busted again when I got home. No questions on my part concerning fairness were entertained.

35 posted on 06/12/2005 8:23:41 AM PDT by davisfh
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To: southernnorthcarolina
they get suspended more for the same reason they go to jail more, because they commit more crime.

white males on the other hand account for nearly 100% of mass murder convictions for the same reason... because more white men commit these types of crimes.

who knows why, but to blame every oddity you notice between ethnic groups on racism is absurd.
36 posted on 06/12/2005 8:30:06 AM PDT by Nyboe (From God we receive both our freedom and morality. A Godless society will have neither.)
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To: Thebaddog

I have a confession to make-it's not just the young black kids who think they're just duty bound to piss off every Cop who pulls them over. My own youngest son,white, now middle aged and solid as a rock,law abiding, hard working family man, was the same as the black kid you are talking about, in his youth.

He himself has raised four of his children to adulthood and not one ever ran a routine traffic stop into a felony, with their own lips. I believe that he learned the hard way, that sometimes the less pain, the more gain, and shared that knowledge with his children.




37 posted on 06/12/2005 8:34:53 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (From their slimy left bank puddle, the froggy Dems still croak" Duh........ We da mainstream, we da)
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To: rickmichaels

Would they be suspended if they called out "Amen, brother!" in class?


38 posted on 06/12/2005 8:36:23 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("They settled down hard on a government grant, with six mouths to feed and forty acres to plant.")
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To: southernnorthcarolina
But they want to look deeper, they say.

However, they do not want to look deeply enough to find the TRUE root of the problem, which is that blacks violate school policies at a rate four times that of whites, and the violations are more egregious on average than those of white students.

39 posted on 06/12/2005 8:38:31 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: F.J. Mitchell
Why are Charlotte's black students suspended more often than whites?

The answer is known to anyone who has taught both.

40 posted on 06/12/2005 8:39:00 AM PDT by ReadyNow (When you see the eye, expect a lie.)
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