Posted on 06/09/2005 12:26:04 AM PDT by ppaul
Googled the risk from the "P" vaccine.
Encephalopathy leading to permanent neurological damage.
Here's a link.
http://nvic.org/History/1989workshop.htm
It hit our County (rural) last winter and the local hosp. closed the Maternity ward to all visitors.
Over the Coast range in the next County the hospital that we all travel to for specialist medical care also closed it's maternity ward to all visitors.
Seemed like it hit over there first if IRC.
The risk is very very rare.
From the CDC:
"Mild Problems (Common)
Fever (up to about 1 child in 4)
Redness or swelling where the shot was given (up to
about 1 child in 4)
Soreness or tenderness where the shot was given (up
to about 1 child in 4)
These problems occur more often after the 4th and 5th
doses of the DTaP series than after earlier doses.
Sometimes the 4th or 5th dose of DTaP vaccine is
followed by swelling of the entire arm or leg in which
the shot was given, lasting 1-7 days (up to about 1
child in 30).
Other mild problems include:
Fussiness (up to about 1 child in 3)
Tiredness or poor appetite (up to about 1 child in 10)
Vomiting (up to about 1 child in 50)
These problems generally occur 1-3 days after the shot.
Moderate Problems (Uncommon)
Seizure (jerking or staring) (about 1 child out of
14,000)
Non-stop crying, for 3 hours or more (up to about
1 child out of 1,000)
High fever, over 105oF (about 1 child out of
16,000)
Severe Problems (Very Rare)
Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million
doses)
Several other severe problems have been reported
after DTaP vaccine. These include:
- Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
- Permanent brain damage.
These are so rare it is hard to tell if they are caused
by the vaccine.
Part of the problem is American parents not doing their job of immunizing their kids and then you have the anti vaccine Moms who add to the problem.
The schools here in Oregon had to go start refusing kids due to lack of parental compliance. And they even had free vaccines.
See my post down further American Parents are not doing their part either.
I agree with you.
I am for border control but ya can't blame everything on illegals.
When my son was a teen he was revacinated and that was ten plus years ago.
Last I heard in our area all kids entering Jr. high get the Hepatis vaccine, can't remember the strain.
That's what my pediatrician told me, when my son was small.
Like I said, that was 17 years ago, and we had the pertussis with the DT but I can't tell you the number of people I know who opted out of that vaccine.
Now, as to a booster DPT, my son just had shots to go on a trip out of the country. The county health department gave him a booster DT, it did not contain "P".
You'd think since this is going on, county health departments would be alerted and when they had the chance, if a booster was needed, would include the pertussis.
It was being put out in the media that severe reactions were leading to Autism and severe brain damage.
Something came out that we were getting our vaccine from Japan and there was a quality control issue allowing "bad" doses slip by.
Truth to it all I dunno.
Hep B is required for admission to public school.
We opted out of Hep B because it is not communicable other than through sex, blood transfusion, or drugs (shared needles.)
My son entered college without a Hep B vaccine, no problem, they just wanted to make sure he had MMR and DPT.
He has had Hep A since he's made several trips out of the country to third world places and Hep A is the kind of hepatitis you can get from food.
My son had SEVERE febrile convulsions after the second immunization, so our pediatrician advised against any more. He received the rest of his immunizations without the Pertussis, just receiving the Diptheria and Tetanus.
We lived out of the country (Grand Cayman) when my kid entered school and he had to have a vaccine called the BCG.
My pediatrician in the States had a fit, but it wasn't an option, so we had it. Supposedly, it protected kids from TB. But the consequence is, that he'll always test positive on a TB test, so if they were to suspect he had TB, he'd have to have an x-ray, not rely on the skin test.
I don't think it has a lifetime immunity. They used to give it to all schoolkids in Britain. Don't know if they still do.
It was similar to the small pox vaccine in that it leaves a scar on your upper arm.
The best to your family.
Thank you for posting the information.
My pediatrician in the States had a fit, but it wasn't an option, so we had it. Supposedly, it protected kids from TB. But the consequence is, that he'll always test positive on a TB test, so if they were to suspect he had TB, he'd have to have an x-ray, not rely on the skin test.
Interesting. BCG is standard in Japan also, but they don't force children who might live in the U.S. to have it.
I've explained the risks factors for Hep B to my son.
The reason we opted out, is because I have MS, and there is quite a bit of research being conducted into a possible implication between Hep B vaccine and MS.
Since they're not sure of the cause of MS, and since I developed the disease after I had a Hep B (in order to work in the healthcare profession), we decided to wait out the Hep B.
The "genetic" side of the risk of MS is sketchy, but there is some risk, and since the latest theory is "triggers" may bring on the disease, we've opted out of Hep B.
Here's a link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3651782.stm
The Caymanian government wasn't as understanding, LOL.
But this was 12 years ago. Their policy might have changed.
I am assuming if you have been vaccinated (DPT) it lasts your lifetime, I could be wrong about this. The problem is that lots and lots of people have have opted out of getting vaccinations and the boosters for their children because of a variety of reasons. When my children were very young, in the early 80s, Dr. Mendelssohn (I think was his name) was a very popular pediatrician (he had written several books), perhaps he was/is a good pediatrician but I remember he would caution parents (some of them were my friends), that the vaccination for DTP was responsible for some other child-hood condition (I forget which) and so the risk was too great to have them immunized. Perhaps as a result of his advice in England there was a terrible outbreak of Whooping cough taking the lives of many children. At that time lots of pediatricians were hiding the cause of death from parents because (this was the excuse used in the documentary), the terrible guilt the parents were having because they hadn't gotten their children immunized. How much Mendelssohn had to do with the situation I am not sure but, he was certainly demonized by the media on this side of the pond and some doctors I knew. Our chidlren were vaccinated as my husband was in the medical field at that time. We made the decision to vaccinate our children and have never regretted it. However, I do know some who have had problems.
I also suspect that there is a growing population of those who have no memory of large desease outbreaks and just don't bother having their children vaccinated. Because many of the children who get truly sick with whooping cough are very young, not school age, they probably are the ones mom and dad are ignoring.
Well it has to be a personal choice for sure in wieghing out the risks.
I don't care for the flu shot but being in the healthcare mode myself it is frowned upon if ya don't.
As for other meds. we go buy the rule if a new med is on the market less than 7yrs all the side effects have not come to surface.
Best not to ingest anything pharmacudical unless it is needed to sustain life. That is family mode.
Diet, excercise, reduced stress and lotsa water have turned many of our health issues around before getting out of hand and we learned that the hard way growing up.
I remember in 1980 it was an issue as well so, I wonder when certain "experts" began telling mothers that the risks of immunization were too great, the 60's perhaps?
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