Posted on 06/04/2005 2:45:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
The Constitution says in Article I, Section 8, "The Congress shall have the power.... To provide for the calling forth the Militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and Repel Invasions;..." Since we are being invaded and the laws of the Union are being violated should the Militia be called up and placed on the borders to protect the laws and the American people?
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You make some excellent and irrefutable points. That is why no has responded. Illegal immigration is a symptom of American socialism. Cut off the handouts and the only reason left to come to America is to work and make a living. Most Americans will not begrudge another human seeking to feed his family through honest work, but they will get really angry if an uninvited illegal get a piece of American unemployment benifits or child tax credit.
Thanks, I was curious at the lack of flaming! You're right, of course. I think that's the approach that Bush's guest worker program is aiming for, but it's not a complete solution by any means. Bottom line: we have to cut handouts now.
Correct, as long as that human is in the United States legally and is working legally.
Bump for later read. I need to read that a few times to "get it" and I'm not quite awake.
Oh brother. American citizens have been sent to OTHER hospitals when some of their own community hospitals in border states are overflowing. Read a little before you criticize.
......The Reconquista is a reality ....
Do you know the source of the word Reconquista?
The Mexican economy is floundering and the best source of funds is the remittances from the USA. The American economy is absorbing the migrants and is apparently better off for their being here. Were that not so, the merket would take care fo the problem.
Having said that, it is not ok to condone illegal actions. Breaking of the laws of the land must not be permitted.
....Illegal immigration is a symptom of American socialism....
That is really off the wall. I suppose the guy who has made it all the way back into the boondocks of Western North Carolina to harvest and pack Christmas trees came for the free dental care and social services.
He is there because without him the price of Christmas trees would be outrageous or there would be no live cut trees. No American white or black who until recently would have done the work will work in the fields for the available wage. The same is apparently true for other crops requiring extensive labor.
Another angle (off the top of my head).
These illegals come here and work very very cheap. If we substitute some food & clothes for a couple bucks it could translate into a type of slavery. Is this a stretch? Mmmmm, maybe not, have you seen how these people live? They cram 6 families into a single apartment...
.....Seems you do not believe our economic system capable of reacting to loss of "off the books, under the table-low paid workers"......
I deplore the fact we can't control our borders.
Having said that, the market says the reality of the situation is that the cheap labor used to fill slots requiring manual exertion is necessary. Our citizens have determained it is better to disdain manual labor and seek exercise in a gym. A tread mill is culturally superior to physical labor.
I differentiate between justification and indicating reality of the situation.The fact is, that is the reality of 2005 in the USA,that the foreign and illegal workers are necessary precisely because our economy cannot function with out them. Our citizens have demanded a lifestyle that prohibits them from taking menial jobs.
I sympathise with your outrage with the open borders but will not accept your incorrect arguments. The America you visualize no longer exists and has not for perhaps 10 or 15 years.
The feds will take action when another US city is attacked with massive loss of life. Even then, they'll move heaven and earth to prove the 'terrorists' (note use of PC generic term), were homegrown far right wing nuts. What we have is the frog in cold water. Keep turning up the heat, allow more and more in, in fact offer them free medical care, education and who knows what all, and soon the admin. and MSM say, gee, impossible to send 20 million back, we'd better make the best of it. Free movement and free trade in the hemisphere. Live and work where you please. Modeled on the Eurovision experiment, now in the dumpster.
Whoever thought up this crackpot scheme didn't notice that the citizenry south of the border speak Spanish, are mostly poor, uneducated, and think Americans work too hard. The upshot is, of course, that most who come here by hook or by crook never leave. Meanwhile, they're sending billions out of the country, propping up the corrupt Mexican oligarchy and they bring a Mexican or Costa Rican or whatever mindset and culture with them and in many cases, have no desire to 'assimilate'. Not to mention TB, Hepatitis B,C, whatever (many get jobs in fast food places), and leprosy, etc..
Newt Gingrich on Rush a week ago, had a sensible plan. Send them all back, allow them to apply for reentry with proper papers, promise of whatever job they had, thumbprint on green card so we can track them, and prompt deportation of those who break our laws. No shilly shallying. Professional, aggressive protection of our borders and sea coasts.
Hispanic votes.
.....if you pay enough the workers will come.......
Not necessarily. I regularly visit two manufacturing plants that need workers. One needs fairly high skills and the other needs medium skill. Neither can attract workers and both offer competative wages and benefits. Now, if we follow your direction, increase wages to the point the workers holding jobs switch employers the product becomes uncompetative in price. All the jobs are then lost.
There are workers available at the full employment rate of let's say 5%. But those in the 5% area are unsuitable and substandard.That means the employer must hire substandard workers. Typically this means they are druggies or don't like to come to work everyday or have children that prevent orderly attendance.
On the mobility of labor, the plants in Ohio have shut down and moved, some down south. I imagine the Ohio workers now unemployed won't move because there are no unions and the wages are lower than the union wages that closed the plants. Labor is not completely mobile.
We have wrung about all the productivity increases possible. I'll cite the Christmas tree industry again. The trees are grown on NC mountain land suitable for little except trees. The industry provide a much demanded product except it is labor intensive for short periods. It doesnot provide sustainable, everyday employment. At one time, there were enough farm folk to provide the labor. They are gone or unwilling to work for low wages. The price to consumers has risen drastically as the cost of production has risen. I believe there would be no Christmas trees if the migrants were not available. A similar tale can be told for our local tomato industry where we have Mexican Foreman who have lived here for years and are pretty well integrated and work the migrants who are temporary amd maybe illegal.
We don't know how to look at and individual and determine if legal or illegal. The process has become even more difficult by the fake documents industry. We have a law but it is unenforcable because an employer, especially a small business employer, can't tell if a worker is infact illegal.
They are breaking our welfare system, and are going to throw elections, just like the one in the LA mayor*s race. Most of them are uneducated and lawless, as evidenced by the number in prisons, and are rapidly overloading our prison system. We need troops on the border, and if they are unavailable, they need to use a militia. Whatever it takes!
Plus, those who plan to stay should assimilate, learn English, apply for citizenship. Most don't have a clue as to the foundation of the US, the DOI, Bill of Rights, etc., the idea of individual liberty and the responsibilities that come with it.
...It will always flounder because a small group of elites control every peso.....
Which brings us to Venezuela and Mr Chavez. He is attacking these very elites that I think of as the Aristos and who were depicted in Zorro as the Alcalde and his group. There is loud clamoring here on FRee Republic about his communist ways. It may be he has communist tendencies but he is going after the source of the people's problem, the Aristos who "control every Peso".
I expect Senor Fox of Mexico is one of the controllers.
What Mexico needs then is what california had.....Zorro.
Oh yes..... almost forgot to ask about knowledge of hippie girls in the Biblical sense but I suppose that is really not something to be discussed in polite FReeper society.
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