Discussion thread for FR poll question regarding calling up the militia to defend the borders

Free Republic Poll Question ^ | June 3, 2005 | By YOUGOTIT

[Jim Robinson]

The Constitution says in Article I, Section 8, "The Congress shall have the power.... To provide for the calling forth the Militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and Repel Invasions;..." Since we are being invaded and the laws of the Union are being violated should the Militia be called up and placed on the borders to protect the laws and the American people?

Yes

No

Undecided

Pass

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=102

[ExGeeEye]

but you really need more

I basically left out the Navy. Didn't think it was under discussion. Sorry.

I wonder why they wrote it that way?

The way I read it, they wrote it that way to include and allow for the existence of an Army (and a Navy, won't make that mistake again) and the state militias. OK, cool so far...

So the army was only supposed to be funded 2 years at a time.

And the Army is actually funded one year at a time, so we're exceeding the standard. Glad we're on the same page.

The MILITIA was supposed to be the only 'stranding (sic) army'

I don't see that in paragraph 15, which is a list of uses for which Congress can employ the militia.

The original intent was that the jurisdiction of the United States extended ONLY to Washington D.C. and military bases.

Small correction, per the cited paragraph.

The original intent was that the jurisdiction of the Congress in exclusive legislation extended ONLY to Washington D.C. and military bases.

I think we're mostly in agreement tho.

[B4Ranch]

>>I am concerned about the 'anchor babies' being born here. That may call for a new amendment to our Constitution.<<


+== QUOTE OF THE WEEK ==+

"[The Fourteenth Amendment] will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons."

Senator Jacob Merritt Howard of Michigan
Introducing what would later become the Fourteenth Amendment in 1868

(The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, often wrongly cited as the Constitutional requirement for birthright citizenship, was enacted in order to guarantee recently freed slaves the rights of citizenship. It was never intended, as the quote above (by one of the Amendment's authors) makes clear, to grant birthright citizenship to the offspring of tourists, illegal aliens, and temporary workers.)

[mad_as_he$$]

WE didn't/couldn't stop Pancho Villa. It has just gotten worse since then.

[mathluv]

Intent is one thing. How it is being implemented is another.

The Amendment says: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

[international american]

"And why they are permitting tax payers to be turned away from hospitals in their own communities in favor of caring for illegals. And why the federal government is now paying medical providers for the healthcare of illegals."

And free dental in California too. This really makes my blood boil.

[international american]

We need 10,000 TOMORROW.....not 4 years from now.

[brazzaville]

Good morning.

An unorganized militia backed up by the state militia would work just fine, I think.

Federal military technology could provide surveillance capabilities and logistical support.

There are several levels of defense needed but, first we need to accept that this migration has, in fact, become an invasion with a goal of conquest.

Michael Frazier

[varon]

Give me a chance? And who the hell do you think you are? You can't give me anything.

Tsk, tsk, someone is grouchy. Must have gotten out the wrong side of the bed this morning. Maybe mommy can give you a big bowl of sugary cereal to get you in a better mood.

[B4Ranch]

http://usa-the-republic.com/amendment_14/Dyett%20v.%20Turner.pdf

The Supreme Court for the State of Utah ruled that the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution is a "fraud" in fact and in law.

I heard a rumor a month ago that a legislator in Utah was researching a Bill to be written that would remove State citizenship from all 'anchor babies' of Utah. I never called his office because the lady who told me is US District Judge and I didn't want to cause any problems. Some States are interested in what States rights are it seems.

[clamper1797]

My aren't we up in the wee hours ... This topic must be bothering you ... as it is me

IMO ... FWIW ... we ARE being invaded from the south and if OUR government will not do it's job ... including the NG ... which IMO is NOT the militia (another topic) I believe it first becomes the task of the citizenry to form a militia and tend to the problem of the border and the second task for the citizenry is to tend to our negligent government officials.

[brazzaville]

Good morning.
"Hmmm... in todays world, guess we'd better make that every able bodied citizen. Hmmmm... or maybe just every citizen."

Give me a good 4x4 and I can go almost anywhere I could when I was a young trooper. Once I get to where I'm neeeded
my age and disability becomes even less important since I am much smarter than I was as a teenager.

Michael Frazier

[M Kehoe]

Good morning. I hope your doing well.

"Or is the military and the militia one and the same?"

No. I believe it's U.S.C. Title 10 (someone will correct me if I'm wrong), that it is every man between the ages of 18 to 55. Soon, I won't be militia material anymore. 8^(

5.56mm

[MamaTexan]

I think we're mostly in agreement tho.

LOL! Me too.

Thank you for your service, BTW!

:)

[ExGeeEye]

Title 10, sec 311. Somewhere up above I posted a link to the text. Comment #59 IIRC.

Bests

[ExGeeEye]

Quite welcome.

BBFN...the rest of the day beckons :)

[brazzaville]

Good morning.
"America is being over run by a series of individuals acting in their own self interest."

It's pretty clear that the Mexican government is using the migration for it's own purposes. The Reconquista is a reality and the migrants are a military force in the same way that the MM are.

Michael Frazier

[Willie Green]

Thank you for posting that information, which should be understood by everyone on this thread.

[ExGeeEye]

BTW loved Texas when stationed at Fort Hood.

[Dont_Tread_On_Me_888]

What bothers me the most re the illegal alien discussion is when Bush and other politicians keep throwing the "they come here to work" crap in our faces.

Then, in a subtle fashion hidden from view (buried in the Medicare Bill), they set aside $1 billion dollars to reimburse Arizona, California, Texas, and other states' hospitals for the free medical care that it costs us. How much national press is given to the cost to this nation ? Practically none by the MSM--it is always about "we are a nation of immigrants", which is crap anyway since the immigrants of the early 1900s came here legally and had to suport themselves--no public $ for them.

If an independent study was done by a think tank or two that showed the "net inflow" or "net outflow" of tax dollars to settle the question of whether it helps us or hurts us, it would shock the American public. There is a huge net outflow and cost to the illegal alien invasion.

The public welfare alone that cares for illegal aliens will bankrupt this nation. Both parties are looking out for votes (illegal alien votes) as opposed to looking out for the nation's future. That is why they allow the drivers licenses, matricula cards, etc and refuse to protect our borders and national sovereignty.