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Dell apologizes for sales rep's Red-China-scare (anti-Lenovo e-mail)
Canoe News ^ | June 3, 2005 | Matt Slagle

Posted on 06/03/2005 4:07:53 PM PDT by Golden Eagle

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Who should really be apologizing for this mess? Dell, or IBM?
1 posted on 06/03/2005 4:07:53 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: ShadowAce; phoenix0468; FR_addict; wk4bush2004; Echo Talon; risk; Prince Charles; Dr. Marten; ...

Something you or others might be interested in.


2 posted on 06/03/2005 4:27:17 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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the truth hurts. not pc to speak it.

on the surface the salesperson has a valid argument -- i'd be curious what percentage of a $ spent on a dell ends up offshores.


3 posted on 06/03/2005 4:28:58 PM PDT by kpp_kpp
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Dell boards aren't made in America...


4 posted on 06/03/2005 4:30:26 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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Dell boards aren't made in America...
And as for their "tech support"......

-Eric

5 posted on 06/03/2005 4:31:56 PM PDT by E Rocc (If God is watching us, we can at least try to be entertaining)
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the truth hurts. not pc to speak it.

Ding ding! The very first post, and we have a winner ladies and gentlemen.

6 posted on 06/03/2005 4:33:31 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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Whether true or not, Dell's policy is wise.

It is bad form to trash your competition to your potential clients. You may gain a little in the short-term, but at the sacrifice of your own long-term image.


7 posted on 06/03/2005 4:35:19 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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"As you know Lenovo is a Chinese government-owned company that recently purchased IBM's desktop business," Xinhua quoted the e-mail as saying. "While the U.S. government has given its stamp of approval to continue to purchase these units, people must understand that every dollar clients spent on these IBM systems is directly supporting/funding the Chinese government."

Can't get anymore true than that. I think it is paramount to treason if any government official buys a Lenovo product. Red China sees us as their enemy, they see democracy as their enemy. It is no secret in China what the mission of Communism is. So why should we be buying their products?
8 posted on 06/03/2005 4:44:58 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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It is bad form to trash your competition to your potential clients. You may gain a little in the short-term, but at the sacrifice of your own long-term image.

Possibly true in general terms, but on an issue this controversial I'd say it depends greatly on the predisposition of the audience. Dell probably did the right thing by offering an apology, but in some regards that apology also gives this issue further wings.

9 posted on 06/03/2005 4:46:53 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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Dear Golden Eagle,

Perhaps.

But I'd fire anyone who worked for me who did something similar.

I've seen folks do it when trying to sell me stuff. Better they should find ways of letting me find out what they want me to know then tell me so directly.


sitetest


10 posted on 06/03/2005 4:55:17 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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So why should we be buying their products?

I can't give you a good reason why, maybe others will eventually try on this thread. But the stealth manner in which these products will be distributed, bearing the 'IBM' logo, is as bothersome to me as anything. Unfortunately it appears anyone attempting to bring the issue to light will apparently be reprimanded by Dell.

11 posted on 06/03/2005 4:58:02 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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Better they should find ways of letting me find out what they want me to know then tell me so directly.

Thanks, a very respectable and dignified approach indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if specifically acceptable language is being pounded out in Austin right now.

12 posted on 06/03/2005 5:02:30 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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I question why my government approved of IBM selling their notebook business to the ChiComs.
13 posted on 06/03/2005 5:05:08 PM PDT by upchuck (If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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I question why my government approved of IBM selling their notebook business to the ChiComs.

I really can't answer that absolutely. A cynic might say because they hired Brent Scowcroft to lobby it to the administration. Others might tell you this was all done for our benefit.

14 posted on 06/03/2005 5:10:03 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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Eweh, yeah, forgot about that. And Dell just signed a huge contract with the State of Oklahoma, so I guess I better keep my mouth zipped, HEHE.


15 posted on 06/03/2005 5:24:21 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: upchuck

I don't think their notebook business was included, was it?


16 posted on 06/03/2005 5:25:03 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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Unfortunately it appears anyone attempting to bring the issue to light will apparently be reprimanded by Dell.

Dell wants to sell to the Chinese. They better reprimand (or fire) the salesperson.

17 posted on 06/03/2005 5:27:13 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: E Rocc

we won't go there...

there are plenty of knowledgeable people in India, it's not the techs fault they have to put on the SEG and read the cue cards


18 posted on 06/03/2005 5:27:17 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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"We are strongly committed to growth in China," Menchaca said, "as demonstrated by our investments in manufacturing, design, procurement, operations and business located there."

Why can't Dell be strongly committed to creating more manufacturing jobs here in the US of A? Or at the very least in a country that shares our Democratic principles? That statement is almost as offensive to me as the email was to a bunch of Commie bastards.
19 posted on 06/03/2005 5:28:08 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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I don't think their notebook business was included, was it?

No, you're right. My post was supposed to say, "I question why my government approved of IBM selling their computer business to the ChiComs."

20 posted on 06/03/2005 5:29:33 PM PDT by upchuck (If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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