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NYP: GUN BANNERS WHO CAN'T SHOOT STRAIGHT - The Daily News relied on a false statement
New York Post ^ | June 3, 2005 | JOHN R. LOTT, JR.

Posted on 06/03/2005 5:55:22 AM PDT by OESY

When the federal assault- weapons ban expired last September, its fans claimed that gun crimes and police killings would surge. Sarah Brady, one of the nation's leading gun-control advocates, warned, "Our streets are going to be filled with AK-47s and Uzis."

Well, over eight months have gone by and the only casualty has been gun-controllers' credibility. Letting the law expire only showed its uselessness.

Yet, while this lesson has been learned in the rest of the country — Illinois' Democrat-controlled state Assembly last week defeated both a proposed assault weapons and 50-caliber gun bans — New York's Legislature was going its own way. The Assembly last month passed new assault-weapon and 50-caliber bans....

The irrelevance of the assault-weapons bans to crime rates was to be expected. Not a single published academic study has ever shown that these bans have reduced any type of violent crime.

Even research funded by the Justice Department in the Clinton years found only that these bans' effect on gun violence "has been uncertain." And when those same authors released their updated report last August, looking at crime data up through 2000 — the first six full years of the federal law — they stated, "We cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation's recent drop in gun violence."...

The decision to demonize these particular guns and not, say, .475-caliber hunting rifles is completely arbitrary. The difference in width of these bullets is a trivial .025 inches. What's next? Banning .45-caliber pistols? Instead of protecting people from terrorists or criminals, the plain goal here is to gradually reduce the... guns that people can own.

Even for lawmakers, predictions must eventually matter. If legislators can't see that these laws have failed to deliver as promised, it's hard to know when facts will make a difference.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; clinton; guncntrol; sarahbrady; secondamendment

1 posted on 06/03/2005 5:55:22 AM PDT by OESY
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To: OESY

"The last 25 years of scientific criminological research shows that gun control increases violent crime and never reduces crime, costing thousands of lives each year, and endangers everyone including those who choose not to own firearms."

 - Michael D. Robbins, FraudFactor.com

2 posted on 06/03/2005 6:00:40 AM PDT by FraudFactor.com (Support redistricting reform to end gerrymandering and achieve more honest and responsive government)
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To: OESY

Yeah, and where is that AK-47 Sarah Brady promised me?


3 posted on 06/03/2005 6:09:01 AM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: OESY

Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than all the guns I have ever owned...


4 posted on 06/03/2005 6:11:45 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: OESY
Instead of protecting people from terrorists or criminals, the plain goal here is to gradually reduce the... guns that people can own. - New York Post

It's nice to see that somebody in New York "gets it"!

5 posted on 06/03/2005 6:13:08 AM PDT by Gritty ("I would sooner trust the North Koreans to keep their word than the Democrats"-Ann Coulter)
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To: muawiyah

Yeah, where are they. I always wanted one of those;)


6 posted on 06/03/2005 6:15:43 AM PDT by champisme (The more I know, the less I understand.)
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To: OESY
"Gun Control" has never BEEN about the guns. It has always been about the CONTROL.

We need to take it back. The frog pot is on full boil. Time to jump or die.

7 posted on 06/03/2005 6:22:57 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: OESY

Logic and reason mean litle or nothing to fanatics. These people are fanatics.

Their aversion to guns rises from numerous sources.

1) They are afraid that an armed populace might someday grow sick of the liberal nonsense that is destroying America and avail themselves of the rights so lucidly laid out in the Declaration of Independence.

2)There is strong pressure from "minority" "leaders" for tough gun control measures as gun crime in minority neighborhoods is very high. These "minority" "leaders" and the political panderers who cater to them, of course, refuse to recognize the core cause of this violence, which is sociological, not technological. The fanatastic illegitimacy rate among certain minorty groups, the breakdown of the nuclear family in minority communities, and the inability of the government to provide an adequate substitute for self-respect, responsibility and a sense of pride and honor - things in part erased by prior liberal government programs are the root causes of these problems - not guns. But these liberal panderers in both parties would never enunciate such a truism.

3)And finally, they view guns as symbolic of white, male, Christian, European dominance. And as a symbol they view guns as far more deadly than their performance as a working tool.


8 posted on 06/03/2005 6:25:53 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
And as a symbol they view guns as far more deadly than their performance as a working tool.

The main function of guns is as a talisman of liberty. For all the blowhard talk you hear from the Michigan Militia types, the fact is that we will not need to engage in armed revolution so long as we retain our right to own guns. They are a very powerful symbol, to citizens and governmental minions alike, of the price that would be paid for stealing our ancient liberties. From weapons ownership, we gain a confidence and peace of mind which allows us to fearlessly criticize our leaders and governmental policies.

-ccm

9 posted on 06/03/2005 6:37:29 AM PDT by ccmay (Question Diversity)
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To: ccmay

I have more guns that I probably need but not as many as I'd like to have.


10 posted on 06/03/2005 6:43:22 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: ccmay
And as long as we hold that "illusion" of power, they will continue to do what ever the heck they want.

Blowhard talk? The government in all its forms chips away at our Rights and people feel that just because we can sit in our closets clutching our single shot .22 that we are still free?

We need a full stop restoration of our Rights or we WILL lose it all.

11 posted on 06/03/2005 6:45:51 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: OESY
John Lott's right the choice of what gun to ban is based on purely arbitrary criteria. The point is gun banners seek to restrict gun choices and now in California, the availability of ammunition itself, as means of gradually outlawing private gun ownership altogether. The opposition wants to get there through a series of "baby steps." By the time 2nd Amendment champions and gun enthusiasts realize what's afoot, it will be too late. These guys can't stop us in one fell swoop so they are taking incremental steps to strip us of our rights. Lott astutely points out just what is happening now as far as the RKBA is concerned.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
12 posted on 06/03/2005 6:52:08 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: OESY

And .. because all the braying about all the bad things that would happen - never happened. When we try to warn people about REALLY BAD THINGS - the public turns a deaf ear - because the dems have already proven to them that it's all hype. Very dangerous.


13 posted on 06/03/2005 11:03:18 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: goldstategop

I encourage all interested in RKBA to read "Death By Government" by R.J. Rummel. Encourage your hoplophobe friends to read this book, or at least, give them a thumbnail version of the book.

Scary stuff.


14 posted on 06/03/2005 11:11:40 AM PDT by PaRebel (Self Defense: an unalienable right!)
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