[CherylBower]

I never thought of this angle to the citizenship issue. How does one fight this in court, unless a government agency intentionally denies services to a supposed citizen because they are not a citizen? Yeah, like that's going to happen.

[Brad’s Gramma]

Yo!

[HiJinx]

Someone else who is leaning toward a literal reading of the Fourteenth Amendment. Time for the Constitutional Lawyers to weigh in...

[A CA Guy]

The way it would be fought would to first replace the 9th circuit with more conservative justices and to then proceed to bring the issue before the court.

[usurper]

I never thought of this angle to the citizenship issue. How does one fight this in court, unless a government agency intentionally denies services to a supposed citizen because they are not a citizen? Yeah, like that's going to happen.

I believe there has already been a ruling regarding this back in the 20s or 30s. Since the Supreme Court could not find the wording in the 14 amendment that they wanted they just presumed the drafters made an oversight and applied it anyway.

There is a excellent analysis I think by CIS I will go look for a link.

[ken21]

the part i like is his flunking the bar exam 4 times, and then he went into education.

[DoughtyOne]

The message that Villaraigosa's resounding victory should send to these guttersnipes is that they're nuts if they think they are ensuring their political futures by pandering so shamelessly. Just the opposite. Leaving the border ajar for scofflaws only means that down the road, and sooner rather than later, they'll find themselves running against a Villaraigosa or a Gomez or a Gonzalez of their very own, and then they can take their rightful place with Mr. Hahn at the unemployment office.

I'm convinced there isn't any political desire whatsoever from Republican leaders for Hispanics to adopt conservative values. Why do I say this? California has the highest presence of hispanics in the nation. It also has the highest electoral vote in the nation. Nobody campaigned in California in the year 2000. I should acknowledge that Bush did show up in the state once for about six hours. I don't really consider that a serious appeal to the voters of the state, hispanic or otherwise. If anything it was an insult. In effect it was saying, "Screw you, I don't need you or your votes!"

We now have a mayor in Los Angeles that was at one time a serious leftist activist. He has made no bones about his separatist views off camera. He was a member of MechLa. He favors amnesty for illegal immigrants and sees that segment of the present U.S. populace as his strongest supporters.

Our leaders aren't as stupid as some would like us to believe. They know what's going on. Here's my take on why they allow it, in fact facilitate this.

Both parties are now globalist enclaves. Be it trade or political entanglements, they are in lock step with internationalist policies. They want open borders. They want trade pacts that set up a level of governance that is untouchable (read that unstopable) by the general populace.

U.S. Citizens wouldn't accept handing over their sovereignty in a straight forward effort. Thus, diluting the populace with tens of millions of immigrants over the period of twenty to forty years, dilutes the die hard citizen in many ways. Take a look at the push for diversity. You're considered a racist if you object to our nation being overrun. You're a racist if you don't want Spanish to replace English. You're a racist if you don't want to hand over our manufacturing to foreign nations. Perhaps more accurately on that last one, you're just dismissed as a person who knows nothing about economics.

That last take would be an easy sell if it weren't for the most basic of capitalist principles. Flood any market with any product and that product's value will plummet. There is no loophole on this principle. When the commodity is labor, the value drops when there's excess labor in a market.

U.S. citizens are under extreme pressure when it comes to labor. Their ability to maintain the status quo is harder and harder all the time. With illegal immigrants, outsourcing and moving manufacturing to foreign states, the U.S. citizen is the victim of the triple whammy. What does this achieve?

In my opinion, the U.S. populace is being diluted with regard to loyalty and support of the founding principles. The populace is being undercut economicly. The political power of loyalists is being diminished in relation to the total populace.

The goal is to set up a Free Trade Agreement of the Americas. The process will see two trade representatives from each nation that participates. When the goals are reached, every nation in North, Central and South America will be members. In this setting, the United States will have only two votes among 40 to 50. When this happens, the days of our self-determination, the actually sovereignty of our nation will be over.

At this point, our internal decisions will be subject to the whim of this multi-national organization. This is what our leaders want. It's why our immigration and trade policies are being designed and implemented that way they are..

Our present immigration policies have nothing to do with increased support for conservatives. It is a transparent effort to render conservatism completely ineffective.

[Oatka]

While on the subject of immigration, I recently erred when I wrote that children born in the United States were automatically American citizens even if the parents were here illegally. A few readers set me straight by pointing out that the 14th Amendment of the Constitution says no such thing.

I'm confused. An ER guy from San Diego says that the illegals wait until a woman is in her 9th month, then smuggle up up here to a motel. When she goes into labor they call 911 and the kid is born here. Ergo, another "citizen" who can sponsor mom and dad and tio and tia and . . .

[norton]

The problem is that "subject to it's jurisdiction" is an ambiguous statement, while we've had decades of politicians willing to take ambiguous to the bank and decades of courts willing to help them along.

I'm waiting to see just ONE non-hispanic L.A. pol or celebrity make a negative statement about Villaraigosa's near immediate statements against the Governor's policy.

And, I'm waiting to see how long it takes Senor V to announce his willingness to be elected the next governor.

[Kenny Bunk]

Leaving the border ajar for scofflaws only means that down the road, and sooner rather than later, they'll find themselves running against a Villaraigosa or a Gomez or a Gonzalez of their very own, and then they can take their rightful place with Mr. Hahn at the unemployment office.

Eggzackly what happened to boring B-1 Bob Dornan. when he had the seat, he ignored I I. When Loretta Sanchez kicked him out of his seat with flagrant vote fraud, he woke up fast. Too late. but fast.

But Karl Rove, (aka "The Brilliant") is convinced, and has convinced GW, that Mexicans are the 'Republicans of the Future.'