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To: blueblazes
> If this process is actually true, why isn't it still happening

It *is*.

> or why haven't we found any real examples of intermediate species anywhere in the fossil record

We *have*. Virtually every species is a transitional form from one to another.

One such thread:
Pakicetus
Ambulocetus
Rodhocetus
Procetus
22 posted on 05/31/2005 12:26:55 PM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: orionblamblam

This might be true, however, too often I think scientists are using THEIR imagination and wishful thinking by assuming that animals who share common characteristics or appearance are descended from or related to each other. I don't know that that is true at all. For example, the pictures you just posted - there is some similarity just a one might say there is similarity between a small cat and a small dog (there are more similarities than you might initially consider once you think about it), however do cats and dogs have a common ancestor because they have some characteristics in common? I don't know. And I don't know how you go about proving such a descent either. Where is the proof other than visual similarities? What would constitute "proof" for this evolution? Personally I think scientists are as desperate to prove their belief in evolution as religious folks might be to prove it isn't true.


26 posted on 05/31/2005 12:36:40 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: orionblamblam

Are those pictures a joke? Is this an attempt at pro macro-evolution material?


27 posted on 05/31/2005 12:37:09 PM PDT by bigcat32 ("Progressive" is a word for old fashioned socialism.)
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To: orionblamblam

But they are all still whales. No change at all except for size, color, shape, fur, teeth and other such superficial things.


29 posted on 05/31/2005 12:41:53 PM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: orionblamblam

I don't think most critics of evolution would dispute that your pics might constitute a limited form of micro-evolution, or at least the possibility thereof. But for the picture to be complete, you'd have to take the evolutionary line a lot further back than you've done there. And as far as I'm concerned, the problem with the theory of evolution is that it does not very well account for the beginnings of the process, the development of complex molecules, amino acids, proteins, DNA, etc., i.e., how the whole process overcame the law of entropy and the laws of probability. You would have to posit some organizational property inherent in matter that would be almost equivalent to intelligent design.


41 posted on 05/31/2005 12:54:31 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: orionblamblam

Pretty pictures! ... Im totally convinced. How do I renounce my faith and join the family of "real" scientists?


60 posted on 05/31/2005 1:33:52 PM PDT by dartuser (Many people think that questioning Darwinian evolution must be equivalent to espousing creationism.)
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To: orionblamblam

You've discovered patterns. Almost every designer I've ever known designs according to patterns.


123 posted on 05/31/2005 2:28:48 PM PDT by johnnyb_61820
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To: orionblamblam
Virtually every species is a transitional form from one to another. Pakicetus Ambulocetus Rodhocetus Procetus

Let's make sure I'm clear what is being implied. Your example of transition is that Pakicetus evolved into Ambulocetus, which evolved into Rodhocetus, which evolved into Procetus?
196 posted on 05/31/2005 5:48:12 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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