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Researchers Trace Evolution to Relatively Simple Genetic Changes
Howard Hughes Medical Institute ^ | 25 Narcg 2005 | Staff

Posted on 05/31/2005 12:03:06 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: Right Wing Professor
If you knew any biology, you'd know that.

I know enough biology to know that evolutionists have signally failed to prove that any creature has ever done anything except reproduce 'according to their kind', as Genesis chapter one says.

181 posted on 05/31/2005 5:01:16 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts..." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: EternalVigilance

You sound like a Gravitationist. If your religion is correct, and God doesn't exist, why does the moon float in the sky, unaffected by so-called "Natural Forces?"


182 posted on 05/31/2005 5:02:04 PM PDT by aNYCguy
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To: aNYCguy

Again, you babble.


183 posted on 05/31/2005 5:03:11 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts..." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: orionblamblam
No, it can't. If it was macro-evolution, the stickleback would have evolved legs, rack and pinion steering and warp drive. Anything less is *micro* evolution

Actually you are not too far off the mark. This has nothing to do with macro evolution and the evolution of one animal to another animal. It also doesn't address what causes a gene to change these characteristics. Perhaps the creator is tweaking the code behind the scenes for all you know.

184 posted on 05/31/2005 5:04:56 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: PatrickHenry

How is less of an "armor plating" on these fish an enhancement?

Does a fish becoming less insulated constitute an advancement? Does it help reduce drag and make them faster in the water?

Do the researchers explain why it helped these fish in their new environments other than the one speculative comment?

If the Eda gene is considered a harbinger of a disorder in humans, why are they considering it as an example of evolution in fish?

Not busting stones, I just wonder about these things sometimes. It is certainly easy to understand why scientists accept evolution as more fact than theory, as it is the most unifying notion which attempts to define the commonality of life on Earth.


185 posted on 05/31/2005 5:05:48 PM PDT by Radix (Having the best Free Republic Tag Lines since...what time is it anyhow?)
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To: EternalVigilance

Just the kind of non-reponse I'd expect from someone who wants to teach my children the unproven theory of Macrogravity. What's wrong with teaching the controversy? Newton was an atheist who recanted Gravitationism on his deathbed!


186 posted on 05/31/2005 5:06:13 PM PDT by aNYCguy
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To: EternalVigilance
'according to their kind'
And how would you define 'kind'?
187 posted on 05/31/2005 5:09:31 PM PDT by anguish (while science catches up.... mysticism!)
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To: VadeRetro
They aren't originals.

see post #53 for the "originals" claim.

whose far-back ancestors were some kind of generalized multicellulars, whose far-back ancestors were single-celled life.

Now we are finally get to the scientific meat and potatoes of your "theory". Some more "might-have" or "may-have", and now "some kind of generalized" facts that I've been waiting to hear about evolution. And just who "may-have" been the living ancestors of the single-celled guys? sans flagella by the way.
188 posted on 05/31/2005 5:10:23 PM PDT by darbymcgill
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To: aNYCguy

You're the one babbling about gravitation, not me.


189 posted on 05/31/2005 5:10:43 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts..." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: anguish
And how would you define 'kind'?

You know, trees, grass, pigs, ducks, moss, starfish, crocodiles, carrots, etc., etc., etc...

Every single plant and animal that is on the earth today came from a parent of its 'kind'. Would you disagree?

190 posted on 05/31/2005 5:16:42 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts..." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: EternalVigilance
You know, trees, grass, pigs, ducks, moss, starfish, crocodiles, carrots, etc., etc., etc...
What about lions and tigers, wolves and dogs, etc.
Every single plant and animal that is on the earth today came from a parent of its 'kind'. Would you disagree?
Again, that depends on the definition of 'kind'. Most organisms are unlike their parent(s), to a varying degree. Is the ability to mate what differentiates 'kinds'?
191 posted on 05/31/2005 5:25:00 PM PDT by anguish (while science catches up.... mysticism!)
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To: PatrickHenry

you would have a much better case from macro, if the demostration of the stickleback didn't lose armor, but never had armor to begin with and was able to produce it.


192 posted on 05/31/2005 5:29:59 PM PDT by flevit
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To: anguish

Lions and tigers are 'of a kind'...cats.

Dogs and wolves are of a kind...they're canines, aka dogs.

Man can play with the genetics of different animals and plants in many different ways; but nonetheless, a creature is what it is; they inherit their genetics from their parents.

You know that my point is overwhelmingly valid.


193 posted on 05/31/2005 5:32:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts..." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: EternalVigilance

Canines and felines are both carnivores.


Where would you put foxes, jackals and hyenas?


194 posted on 05/31/2005 5:45:17 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: EternalVigilance

Canines and felines are both carnivores.


Where would you put foxes, jackals and hyenas?


195 posted on 05/31/2005 5:47:50 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: orionblamblam
Virtually every species is a transitional form from one to another. Pakicetus Ambulocetus Rodhocetus Procetus

Let's make sure I'm clear what is being implied. Your example of transition is that Pakicetus evolved into Ambulocetus, which evolved into Rodhocetus, which evolved into Procetus?
196 posted on 05/31/2005 5:48:12 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: EternalVigilance
You know that my point is overwhelmingly valid.
If you don't stretch your point longer than that, sure. If a dog gave birth to a cat, the theory of evolution would go up in flames as well.

Speaking of genetics... If/when you have time, I can recommend reading this great post by Ichneumon (long but worth the read). While it probably won't convince you that species (in this case primates, including humans) evolve, it may give you a hint why scientists, in general, are convinced. When multiple lines of evidence points as strongly as this towards an explaination, it is hard to ignore (unless you're on the O.J. jury!).

197 posted on 05/31/2005 5:50:47 PM PDT by anguish (while science catches up.... mysticism!)
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To: From many - one.

You're a carnivore, too.

I wouldn't place you with foxes and jackals and hyenas....I don't think...


198 posted on 05/31/2005 5:53:03 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts..." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: From many - one.
are not most canines quite omnivorous
199 posted on 05/31/2005 5:57:19 PM PDT by flevit
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To: EternalVigilance

I'm an omnivore.


200 posted on 05/31/2005 5:59:35 PM PDT by From many - one.
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