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1 posted on 05/30/2005 7:03:32 PM PDT by SmithL
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"Bruce Weinstein, who has written four books on ethics, said even noble ends do not justify deceptive means."

For leftists any means are justified by their desired ends.
2 posted on 05/30/2005 7:14:42 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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One would think that the company that paid her deserved her best effort to prevent cruelty. If the best that she can come up with is a few cuss words by technicians, they are doing pretty well.

I would love to hear her recommendation for what is to replace animal experiments. Usually that has something to do with testing medicine on humans, or not trying to make medical progress.

Fact. Primates tend to be biologically similar to humans. If you are doing genetics, you use a fruit fly because it is a great model (it has unusually large chromosomes that are visible under the microscope). If you are doing research on the eye, you use the Octopus, because it has unusually large optical structures. If you are looking at potential reaction of humans to drugs, primate testing is one step that you ethically have to consider. It is not gratuious cruelty, but it may be painful. We try to cut the pain to a minimum, but we will save human lives.

Along the way, we also develop medicines that are useful to treat primate diseases. We benefit from the primate testing, and the primates develop from human efforts to develop medicines.


3 posted on 05/30/2005 7:18:03 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (i)
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She said she spent nights at home with her two dogs, weeping and writing up what she had seen during the day.

I am SO not touching that.

5 posted on 05/30/2005 7:23:19 PM PDT by humblegunner
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Bruce Weinstein, who has written four books on ethics, said even noble ends do not justify deceptive means.

Although I do not support Lisa Leitten's PETA freak position on using animals for food or testing, I do agree with documenting evidence of criminal activity at work. The perps will protest, complain and insist that employees have no right to have eyes that have seen, ears that have heard, or knowledge or evidence, of wrong doing but only what THEY say.

You can't buy my ethics off nor threaten me enough to throw them away. A wage does not make a slave.

Flame Suit On!

8 posted on 05/30/2005 7:35:26 PM PDT by Lester Moore (islam's allah is Satan and is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.)
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While in college, Leitten had become a vegetarian and found herself increasingly concerned about animal welfare. PETA was a natural fit.

I could say that with a lot fewer words:

While in college, she slowly went off the deep end.

9 posted on 05/30/2005 7:35:44 PM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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Animal cruelty is not nice, but there should be no laws against it.

We have dominion over animals and animals have no rights.

The definition of what is cruel is relative, anyway.


10 posted on 05/30/2005 7:36:42 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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Anyone who abuses animals is a coward and less than human and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent under the law.


11 posted on 05/30/2005 7:40:37 PM PDT by jimboster (Vitajex, whatcha doin' to me)
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wouldn't this be covered under indutrial espionage? seems like she should go to jail.


13 posted on 05/30/2005 7:44:03 PM PDT by vipervomit (gun control means being able to hit your target!)
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At least she has a new entry for her resume: Feckless poser. :o)


17 posted on 05/30/2005 7:58:42 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (If you must filibuster, it's because you don't have the votes to win honestly)
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even noble ends do not justify deceptive means.

Anyone contending THAT must never have read Karl Marx.

21 posted on 05/30/2005 8:26:25 PM PDT by IronJack
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I strongly object to the mistreatment of animals. If she witnessed these abuses, she should have reported it to her superiors at the company where she worked to see if they would take corrective actions.To stand idly by while these alleged abuses continued is inexcusable. I've known several people who work in animal research facilities, who are also animal lovers. There ARE ways to do animal research humanely.


24 posted on 05/30/2005 8:51:03 PM PDT by toothfairy86
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Is PETA a Cult?


42 posted on 05/31/2005 7:55:01 AM PDT by FlatLandBeer
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