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TOWNHALL.COM ^ | 05/28/2005 | DICK ARMEY

Posted on 05/27/2005 10:53:33 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

President Bush is calling for a complete overhaul of the broken U.S. tax code, and his Advisory Panel is holding hearings to make recommendations for reform. As I testified to the Panel earlier this month, instituting the flat tax is the right answer.

Our current income tax system is a catalog of favors for special interests and a chamber of horrors for the rest of America. As a country, we spend more time filing taxes than we spend building every car, truck, and van produced in the United States. To put this in perspective, it takes the average taxpayer over 26 hours to file a standard 1040, which has caused over 60 percent of Americans to pay a professional to complete their taxes. Simply complying with the complex tax code costs $194 billion each year, or about $650 for every man, woman, and child in America.

Aside from the tax system’s complexity and unfairness, it also inhibits saving, investment, and job creation; it imposes a heavy burden on working families; and it undermines the integrity of the democratic process. The U.S. tax system cannot be repaired by tinkering or fine-tuning. It must be completely replaced with a simple and more efficient alternative. Of the many proposed reform measures, the flat tax best meets the goal of collecting revenue in the simplest, fairest, and most transparent manner possible.

The flat tax will replace the current tax code with a flat-rate income tax that treats all Americans equally. All income is taxed only once and at one rate. There are no breaks for special interests and no loopholes for powerful lobbies, just a simple tax system that treats every American the same.

Individuals and businesses will simply complete a tax return the size of a postcard. All deductions and credits would be eliminated, while the only income not subject to tax would be a generous personal exemption for every American. For example, a family of four could be exempt from the first $40,000 of income. This personal deduction would be indexed to inflation and the flat tax rate could be calculated to be revenue neutral, so as to not increase the deficit in the process of enacting this important reform. Additionally, according to a study by the former chief economist for Congress’ Joint Committee on Taxation, national income would be 5.7 percent larger after five year under the flat tax than under the current system. That means over $500 billion in increased output or more than $3,000 in additional income for a typical family of four.

One competing idea-- the national sales tax-- exhibits the perception of efficiency, but we cannot introduce such a powerful new tax collecting regime unless the 16th Amendment to the Constitution is repealed (a highly unlikely event). Otherwise, we risk the harmful reality of having to pay both a national sales tax and a federal income tax. Therefore, those in favor of modernizing the current code should work towards enacting the flat tax. It solves the problem and it is politically achievable.

Every American will benefit under a flat tax system. An increase in national income will increase charitable giving, lower interest rates will more than offset the loss of the mortgage deduction in the current system, the income exemption will continue the tax code's progressive precedent, saving for your retirement or children’s education will be easier, the marriage penalty will be eliminated, the deduction for dependent children will double, and every taxpayer will see their tax rates reduced.

For the sake of fairness, simplicity, and an improved economy, I strongly urge the President’s Advisory Panel on Federal Tax Reform to recommend the flat tax.

Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey currently serves as co-chairman of FreedomWorks, a national grassroots organization fighting for lower taxes, less government, and more freedom.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: armey; dickarmey; flattax; nrst; taxes; taxreform
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My dream is to have a 15% strict flat tax in which everyone receives a single exemption - say $3,000 for single filers & married filing separately, $5,000 for head of households, and $7,000 for married couples and widows with dependents.

I oppose the NRST because it'll turn into a VAT and it'll be alongside the income tax.

1 posted on 05/27/2005 10:53:36 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: ancient_geezer

Waiting for the obligatory cut-and-paste NRST propaganda...


2 posted on 05/27/2005 10:57:11 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful Or Fatal If Swallowed)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

With a Flat Tax that IRS is still in place and can audit you, therefore it is still a bad choice.


3 posted on 05/27/2005 11:09:33 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup

National sales tax. Get rid of the income tax altogether. No value added tax, just a straight sales tax with a limit of 10 percent maixmum, no deductions for anyone and an abolishment of the 16th amendment.


4 posted on 05/27/2005 11:13:59 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
President Bush is calling for a complete overhaul of the broken U.S. tax code

BS. If he was serious, it would be a reality by now.

5 posted on 05/27/2005 11:17:15 PM PDT by econ_grad
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To: econ_grad
BS. If he was serious, it would be a reality by now.

And how do you figure that, 3 months ago Bush whispered a bit about social security reform and the press politically lynched him.

So Bush is playing real low key on tax reform/overhaul, he has a group going around the country getting ideas on what to do about taxes and they will be finished next month or so.

Things have not played out yet, give a few more months.

6 posted on 05/27/2005 11:28:36 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I think we will see a VAT and the income tax essentially unchanged. The Europeans have shown that the VAT works very nicely as an import duty without triggering GATT.

I don't expect a national sales tax, too much heat from state and local government followed by selective enforcement by local governments and a "reform" scandal followed by a truly huge new Federal VAT enforcement bureaucracy. So why not just jump the in between steps. Chagrin.


7 posted on 05/27/2005 11:48:43 PM PDT by Iris7 ("War means fighting, and fighting means killing." - Bedford Forrest)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Why do people who call themselves Republican so love the idea of the government deciding how much money you should be allowed to keep? They just can't get away from the nanny state.

A flat tax will still mean we're paying about 40% of our income in taxes. The mathematically challenged can't understand the concept of imbedded taxes and they're too in love with the idea of income redistribution as long as it's flowing into their pockets.

8 posted on 05/28/2005 12:17:38 AM PDT by jess35
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I think that a national sales tax is the best way to go. Of course the income tax must be repealed. The RATs won't go for it though being the Marxists that they are. The income tax is right out of old Carl's play book.
9 posted on 05/28/2005 5:16:38 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668)
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I oppose the NRST because it'll turn into a VAT and it'll be alongside the income tax.

Your crystal ball is abit cloudy I see.

Aren't you aware that the Flat Tax is a subtraction method VAT coupled with a progessive income tax, retains the SS/Medicare wage taxes as well as keeps the entire income tax as it exists today as an option for those who find that gives the lower taxes than the Flat Tax would.

Of course the real nasty is that it can make no provision for removing the IRS, in fact, actually requires the IRS to grow and work harder at making sure us peons are reporting and paying the proper amount of tax under a much more complex system than even exists now. Better take a close look at what you are supporting in FlatTax HR1040, and what it has become with Critters looking for a way to make it more palatable to the American people to garner support for it.

I'd much rather have the FairTax NRST with as provided for in HR25 with 10 times the support in Congress and growing popularity with the public. A tax system that totally does away with the IRS, federal income taxes, SS/Medicare payroll taxes, AMT, capital gains tax, and taxes on intrest income, and repeals the gift/estate tax totally.

By the way, no retail sales tax has ever been known to turn into a VAT. The vat was specifically designed to replace business turnover and transaction taxes on business-business sales and is a requirement for membership in the EU as a replacement for the old European turnover taxes. The VAT is irrelavent to the existance of retail sales taxes. In fact the main reason the use of VAT have been expanding in the socialist push for a Global Economy for its qualities of border adjustability and compatibility with income tax systems in most GATT/WTO nations.

An NRST blows away VAT advantages in international trade by not taxing manufactures hence our exports in the first place, giving our own manufacturers subtantial advantage over their foreign competition, providing a tax haven attracting manufacturing back to the U.S.

I'll take an NRST over the Flat Tax anyday.

10 posted on 05/28/2005 8:24:33 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; Taxman; pigdog; Principled; EternalVigilance; rwrcpa1; phil_will1; ...

Waiting for the obligatory cut-and-paste NRST propaganda...

I certainly wouldn't want to disappoint you, so here's my standing ping for tax reform threads.

A Taxreform bump for you all.

If you would like to be added to this ping list let me know.

John Linder in the House(HR25) & Saxby Chambliss Senate(S25), offer a comprehensive bill to kill all income and SS/Medicare payroll taxes outright, and provide a IRS free replacement in the form of a retail sales tax:

H.R.25,S.25
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.

Refer for additional information:


11 posted on 05/28/2005 8:29:19 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I believe a consumption tax would be better than a flat tax. But the great danger American taxpayers must be alert to is that our Congress, the body that taxes us, is not looking to reduce government revenue, but to significantly increase it.

A flat tax would still require a government agency to determine who will pay how much. A consumption tax is better because it is more fair and because the means to collect a consumption tax is already in place.

The real danger of putting in a flat or consumption tax is that it will apply in addition to the income tax we already pay.

So any legislation to establish a flat or consumption tax must contain a provision to eliminate the IRS altogether or we will end up with a double tax system.

Never underestimate the sheer greed and deceit of government.
12 posted on 05/28/2005 8:34:18 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I believe a consumption tax would be better than a flat tax. But the great danger American taxpayers must be alert to is that our Congress, the body that taxes us, is not looking to reduce government revenue, but to significantly increase it.

A flat tax would still require a government agency to determine who will pay how much. A consumption tax is better because it is more fair and because the means to collect a consumption tax is already in place.

The real danger of putting in a flat or consumption tax is that it will apply in addition to the income tax we already pay.

So any legislation to establish a flat or consumption tax must contain a provision to eliminate the IRS altogether or we will end up with a double tax system.

Never underestimate the sheer greed and deciet of government.


13 posted on 05/28/2005 8:34:49 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Waiting for the obligatory cut-and-paste NRST propaganda...
Wow. It took about 10 hours. These guys are slipping.
14 posted on 05/28/2005 8:50:15 AM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

My dream is that every person pays the exact same price for the freedoms we have.

I know that's too bold; but it would free people up so that ANYONE with an idea or energy could "make it" as big as his/her dream would take them.


15 posted on 05/28/2005 8:52:15 AM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Why does Dick Armey just assume that we can amend the Constitution but not reverse that amendment at some later date? Is it written down somewhere?


16 posted on 05/28/2005 8:57:34 AM PDT by groanup (http://fairtax.org)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Waiting for the obligatory cut-and-paste NRST propaganda...

Try reading some of it. You might find out it isn't propaganda.

17 posted on 05/28/2005 8:59:12 AM PDT by groanup (http://fairtax.org)
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S. 812 was recently introduced in the Senate. It has a 20% flat rate on wages and salaries (not investment income) but has a $10,000 deduction ($20,000 for married couples) plus $5,000 per child. It also allows for deduction of charitable contributions and mortgage interest (which are political realities).

Like all flat taxes, business income is also taxed at the same rate as the personal rate.
18 posted on 05/28/2005 9:03:02 AM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: groanup
You might find out it isn't propaganda.
If it isn't propaganda, it is conjecture.

The only thing factual about its outcome is the rate and that's only for the first year... The rate is even deceitful if not a lie in sales tax terms.

19 posted on 05/28/2005 9:13:34 AM PDT by lewislynn ( Is calling for energy independence a "protectionist" act?)
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To: Your Nightmare; Extremely Extreme Extremist

S. 812 was recently introduced in the Senate. It has a 20% flat rate on wages and salaries (not investment income) but has a $10,000 deduction ($20,000 for married couples) plus $5,000 per child. It also allows for deduction of charitable contributions and mortgage interest (which are political realities).

To be also noted S. 812 keeps the SS/Medicare taxes place with its 7.65% wage tax on individuals, and 7.65% excise on the business side on top of that 20%.

Upping the personal deductions sure makes certain we'll have more voters interested in getting government spending under control, NOT.

So many Americans paying little or no federal taxes makes for a natural spending constituency. It's like me in the restaurant: What do I care about extravagance if you're footing the bill?
Walter Williams

Congress Critters will love that side of it.

Strange, I don't see any provisions in that bill to credit back business taxes to our exporters in there, isn't a "Flat Tax" border adjustable? Or is it just another variation of the CIT the WTO/GATT throw's back in the face of the US when we try to treat or corporate income taxes on the same basis as the EU crediting VAT payments back to its exporters in international trade.

Right there you have the prime reason Congress is luk warm on any bill retaining Corporate Income Taxes, built on the same formula as the current system. This one's DOA even before it get to the gate, with nil advantages over the current tax system at all to business or the citizen who still ends up having to prove their income to the IRS same as ever.

20 posted on 05/28/2005 9:38:53 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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